Huguely convicted: Jury gives him 26 years in killing

Hope he's a heck of an accountant.

I hoped for this. Hogshire wants the news media out of his court ASAP - why they are doing the sentencing phase now. Get it done and over. The cost to the city (and county - there are county deputies there) has been probably equal to his legal bills.

20 years?!?! Just for the larceny, maybe.

They wouldn't impose this conviction and then go light on the sentence. He won't be free before he's over 50.

The maximum sentence would be 60 years. Half of that is 30.

He murdered a young woman weeks away from college graduation who was the apple of many people's eye. Justice demands a harsh sentence.

@too much - I've read speculation that he wasn't found guilty of B&E because the apartment door was unlocked, so he could just walk in. Who knows. I think the grand larceny was questionable. My 4 year old Dell isn't worth $200.

It will be interesting to see what the jury comes back with.

These folks on HLN are going INSANE over him not getting Murder 1.

@kate burg - I agree with the people on HLN that if he didn't have the "pedigree" he had, that he probably would have had a harder time avoiding murder one, but even though I wasn't in the court room and didn't hear all of the evidence, from the reporting I heard, it seemed reasonable that he didn't go with the intent to kill. That right there would get him off of murder one.

He may have gone fully expecting to beat her up (and maybe even to take the laptop), but I didn't get the sense that he planned to kill her.

@kate burg & jessica, thank you. I was thinking the kicking in of her bedroom door met the definition of statutory burglary - with intent of assault & battery or larcency.

Thank God. Now let's hope for the maximum sentence. Her life was taken. Let justice be done.

I think he'll get 12 to 15 yrs...which would be enough time to straighten him out and still leave him enough time to rebuild his life. But, if I were Mr. Love, I would not be happy with this verdict.

So when will the rich white boys start rioting and burning down the A&F stores? Too soon, I know.

@ C'ville Native-Let me refrase that, I it was my daughter I would not be happy with this verdict.

@Huzzah - they already did that up at Penn - over Joe Pa, remember?

Let me ask, what if Yeardley Love had survived the attack and lived in a so called vegetative state or parapalegic with brain inury? Would he have been charged with a crime that landed him significant jail time.

what was the reaction of the Huguely family members when the verdict was delivered?
did anyone witness the Mom & Dad (though I know they were not in the courtroom)?

Really unlikely to be consecutive sentences IMO so talking about 60 years as a possibility is going to set you up for disappointment. My gut is 20 plus which is a good result for the prosecution IMO. Prison is going to be very hard on him.

Quagliana's words were dramatic, but they didn't arouse a sympathy in me that lends itself to leniency. Instead, I identify with Chapman's plea for GHV to make it right, perhaps practicing the redemption his sign of the cross suggests, by working the rest of his life to atone for his actions by helping others while imprisoned.

When GHV got in trouble in Lexington he also showed wanton disregard for a woman, and apparently learned nothing about the stakes of drunkenness even after having to perform hours of community service that could have awakened some remorse or accountability in him, some fear that in other circumstances it could be worse. Leniency doesn't work for this guy.

He's young, sure. But that should not be cause to give a pass or light touch on paying for his crime. We have the rule of law so that there is some semblance of order. Seeing it meted out as recompense for a life brutally cut short is affirmation that the system can work.

I am now more determined than ever to tell my kids "no," and to not tolerate physical displays of temper. The killer's parents did him no favors by giving him whatever he wanted.

What about the tragedy of Yeardley Love ?

Posted at 07:59 PM ET, 02/22/2012
The tragedy of George Huguely
By Alexandra Petri

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/the-tragedy-of-george-h...

Somethings up!

wednesday night, not tuesday night.

Kill him. And his Daddy too. And cut his Mammy's ass to shreds with a good bullwhip for not pinching his head off when he was born. And then forget about it.

@A Recovering Attorney - "Since the State of Virginia has no capital punishment, one has to wonder how fair all of this outcome is. A lot to think about."

Perhaps you mistyped, but I assure you, Virginia does have capital punishment.

I suppose that the fact that it does might make it seem even more unfair to some that George Huguely only was convicted of 2nd degree murder, but the burden to prove premeditation was too much.

I think the fact that he stole the computer is what did him in. Without the theft, the "drunken, stupid, irresponsible kid" defense might have made more sense. The fact that he was conscious enough to steal something that had incriminating e-mails made it seem more likely to me that he was conscious of what he was doing and that he had seriously injured her.

Several years ago I served on a jury for a murder trial in VA. Very similar circumstances. The sentencing was the hardest part. Yes, there were guidelines, but all of the discussions about rehabilitation and when the person would eventually get out of prison were really difficult. Then after finally arriving home, the case went into the evening as well, the calls from the media were non stop for several hours. They even called my parents. It was a very surreal experience all around.

Via NBC29, jury recommends 25 years in prison for the 2nd degree murder charge and 1 year for the grand larceny charge.

Can the judge add or take away years to the jury's recommendation?

26 years is a very, very lame sentence for this violent murder.

I still contend that coach Dom Starsia has really gotten a pass on this one, as well as the need for more in-depth scrutiny of the U.Va athletic program and the behavior of its athletes. Starsia has been coaching for 38 years. Does anyone really think that (1) He's not seen problem players before, ad (2) He had no idea that GH was a loose cannon? Doubtful. He took the expedient path of looking the other way and hoping for the best. Had he been the coach he should have been, GH would not have been on the team, nor at U. Va to have been present to murder YL. If society wants to hold Joe Paterno accountable for the behavior of Sandusky, then where is the notion of accountability for Starsia? No matter how many more victories he may lead the men's lacrosse team in what is left of his career, in my book, HE IS A FALURE!!! He failed to man up and get a monster the care he needed. he failed to remove a monster from the team. Ultimately, he failed YL, allowing this monster to be on campus to kill her. I'll bet if GH was somehow involved with one of his three daughters, he'd have been far more invested in getting GH help, or removed. Now YL's family has closure, while Morgan Harrington's has miles to go. The community will exhale and go about it's business, until the next female meets an untimely, tragic and ultimately unnecessary death.

I agree that it is finally time for Dom Starsia to answer questions about his handling of GH. Until now, the University has said that no one can comment until the trial is over.

Well, it's over. Time for Dom to talk to the media.

Of course, he just got a new 5 year contract this week so he won't be leaving UVA anytime soon.

Exactly, @Sparky. Whether or not George had a crappy coach and upbringing and enablers for "friends," he's still responsible for his own actions.

"No person is the sum of the worst decision he ever made," even if he brutally beats and leaves another to die. how was huguely not sentenced more severely? http://littlebiggy.org/4720167

Oops - Knox was 22 years old. But still, similar age.

Thoughtful - that was in Italy. You're comparing apples and oranges.

26 years is a life sentence. There won't be much left of him when he gets out. I had a view of the death chamber when another one of Heilburgs clients was executed. He is well known is the system as a send you down the river lawyer. Good thing GH did not have him as an attorney. The judge split the difference. Harsh to a young man. Once upon a time twenty years was a life sentence and convicts were eligible for parole. That was fair. He will hope someone takes him out and shoots him in about ten years. He will pay for his mistake. Now he needs to be left in peace to do his time.

I think the point is several, I think 12?, current lacrosse players have had brushes with the law. It has been discussed here many times. That's no way to run a program, is it?

I feel Justice was served and I for one am satisfied. RIP Yeardley.

I agree with Heilburgs convicted client - 26 years is a long time to be locked away. Huguley has already spent 2 years in jail and will do another 24, or a little less if he does 85%. As Heilburgs convicted client says, just leave him alone to do his time and hopefully become a better person as he reflects on his actions. Judgment has been passed.

I agree with Jans Soering is innocent - the world needs more love, not more hate, more prayer, not more slander. I do hope that the Love family can in time heal and forgive - without forgiveness our hate will destroy us. I pray that George can turn to God and turn his life around -I don't believe in eternal damnation. Everyone deserves a second chance. Fortunately God always gives not only a second chance but unlimited chances. Peace.

@Jans Soering is innocent - you know his name is Jens, right?

Excellent job reporting, Hawes and Hook staff. Thank you!

Tomorrow will be a big day for comments and then it will wane back to the magazine of 2 years yore. HoooooRah. Personally, I was expecting 12-15 years - basically his 20's and early 30's. Hey kids, the next time someone tells you your a jerk when you drink...you might want to take a listen.

Its not rational to hate some one you've never met, I read no hate speech here, only a yearning for justice. I think a lot of people witnessed justice tonight and satisfied to the courts findings. Alas it doesn't happen often.
As for God, well, thats another story, if George finds God in prison more power to him. If he finds some calling in prison to help his fellow man more power to him. I think George is going to have a hard time finding himself in prison given his background, I would suppose he is still in shock given all thats happened since that dreadful night. Thats a lot for a young man to absorb. Now that the reality of a sentence has been imposed he has two choices, one, hope for an appeal for a new trial, appeal the sentence, or two, resign himself to reality, my guess he's already looking forward to the hopes of an appeal. God will have to wait.

I had hoped he would get more time. I am so glad he didn't get less. In the end, it's what the jury decided. As many folks on here have pointed out that it is they who really mattered in the decision making here. I'm just glad they weren't swayed into a crazy manslaughter ruling or a weak, less than ten year, sentence.

He was found guilty of murder, and that much was good.

I think he should have had a stiffer sentence, but let's face it, he'll be in until almost 50 wearing orange coveralls and accepting his fate. He'll have plenty of opportunities in there to redeem himself to the extent possible after such a heinous act. Let's hope he uses those opportunities wisely. Most of all let's hope that he doesn't come out and act out his worst latent tendencies again. Perhaps he will mature.

He's going to do the time that was given him, so now we shouldn't pile on, but hope that Love's family feels some sense of justice and that he himself will reckon with his actions.

85% of the 24 is a tad over 20. He'll be 44 when he gets out, and while I know that's old to many of you he'll have more than that many years free...to make good, or get drunk, womanize or whatever he chooses to do with it. Point is- from that vantage point, IMO, he's done relatively well...considering what he did. Personally, I'd have preferred to see him locked up until age 55, and relieved it wasn't ridiculously low.

Did the black guy leave his wife in her own blood face down for 2 hours dying a slow painful death?

20 years for each hour of her suffering - seems right

Fair and Just SoCaL. Fair and just.

Are the horrible rain storms symbolic of something?

Good questions. Pretty soon everyone's sick obsession with this trial will move to the Hook's new series "A Day With George At The Red Onion". I'd read it. Hey Bearalumni - are you an alumni of the school I am thinking you are an alumni? Fair and just, huh?

The difference in the sentences could be that Hugely had way more opporunities in life and had outlets for his frustration. Many killings in poor black communities are because these peoples anger boils over because they have no such resources to seek help. I am not excusing anyone.. if you do the crime do the time... but George had it all and still blew it.

I say give him a cell with a blanket a toilet, two thousand calories of bland food a day and a dress for "playtime" with bubba

In the land of the Hoos- I don't think it was a sick obcession, but rather a learning experience. The Hook coveage was very good and allowed many to read, learn and comment on something that grabbed their interest.............

Several commenters suggested that the Virginia lacrosse coach "got a pass" during the trial of George Huguely. Maybe.

The Washington Post reported a few days ago that "The testimony of nearly a dozen former U-Va. lacrosse players revealed a culture of heavy drinking, even during the season."

In a separate article a day or two earlier The Post noted that "After the May 2010 death of Virginia women’s lacrosse player Yeardley Love, it was revealed that eight Cavaliers men’s lacrosse players – including George Huguely, whose trial on murder charges in connection with Love’s death is set to resume Wednesday with jury deliberation – had been arrested for alcohol-related incidents (two were found not guilty)."

That same article reported this: "Virginia men’s lacrosse coach Dom Starsia agreed to a five-year contract on Jan. 18 that will keep him signed with the university through the 2016 season. Starsia will make $250,000 in annual compensation for the duration of the new deal, which marks a 64.8 percent raise from the guaranteed pay he received from his previous contract."

To be fair, lacrosse (and other) coaches make nowhere near what Division I football and basketball coaches make (in the millions). And the Virginia lacrosse coach "has led the Cavaliers to four national championships and six ACC titles."

However, even at the high school level it's recognized that coaching involves much more than practices and games. The National Federation of State High School Associations code of ethics notes that "The function of a coach is to educate students," and "The coach shall be aware that he or she has a tremendous influence...on the education of the student and shall never place the value of winning above the value of instilling the highest ideals of character," and "the coach shall strive to set an example of the highest ethical and moral conduct, and "The coach shall take an active role in the prevention of drug, alcohol and tobacco abuse."

Perhaps this is food for thought for all who play, coach, and enjoy sports.

why were GH parents barred from the courtroom for most of week? i never read about any issues or incidents with either of them during the trial? what happened?

Those of you batting back and forth whether 26 years is enough or not -- no one (or missed it) has discussed WHY we sentence, what the sentence length is for? Is it just that a bigger number sounds like he did worse and makes us feel good, and so we want a BIG number? Or is it because we really believe he needs 40 years in order to have learned his lesson? Frankly, not wanting to diminish the horror of what happened, the 15 year sentence mentioned will be enough to reform this kid a whole lot. So if it's reform we are seeking, that should do it. On the other hand, if we really think he is not redeemable and society will be benefitted by putting him away for life, then the max on everything (but do know -- society pays a lot for every year we keep someone behind bars)

Huguely's parents weren't barred from the courtroom. Because they had intended to testify on his behalf, they--like all witnesses in trials--weren't allowed to hear any testimony that preceded their own. That's why Quagliana got in trouble for her e-mails to defense expert witnesses in which she disclosed what the prosecution's expert witnesses had said in court. They weren't supposed to know that.
Huguely's mother was in court last night. In the end, neither she nor George's father spoke for him before the jury left to deliberate on the sentence. Why his father wasn't present is an open question, as far as I know.

@Cville Native -- No, don't think or mean to imply that prisons "rehabilitte"

It will instead torture him, give him time to grow up, stay off steriods (this should be a big dont-do-steriod lessons, if speculation is right), and stay mostly sober. Do you not think he will be a safer person in 10 years than he was at 22, pumped up for sports, possibly on steriods, part of the drinking crowd, etc?

In fact, given your logic about making better criminals -- with which I somewhat agree -- the sooner out the better once he has suffered enough to learn and change (not through "working on his character" but by not ever wanting the torture of prison again)

Lenny Bias overdoses on cocaine and dies. Lefty Drisell gets fired and U of MD gets death penalty.

Kids at Duke hire a stripper and kicked off the team, expelled, and coach gets fired.

Kid at UVA murders girlfriend and lacrosse coach gets a raise and 5 year extension to contract announced 2 days ago.

I bet he leaves prison a better lover than indicated by Miss Love.

I found this on a blog...very true

'When I learned of the verdict, I didn’t shout or leap in the air … or even celebrate in any way. What is there to celebrate? It was a sad moment. Not even bittersweet. Learning the verdict against Huguely left me with a strange, empty feeling.

Because Love’s death could have been prevented.

Because Huguely’s behavior and his actions could have been stopped.

Because there’s another man out there who abused a woman to the point of death, and his actions and her death won’t receive as much attention.

Who wins? What did anybody win?

Yeardley Love is dead.

George Huguely will go to prison. Legally, he has been branded as a murderer.

Really. Who wins?

***

If someone finds anything from this, I hope it is the girl who wants to walk away from her abusive boyfriend. She will.

Or the lacrosse/baseball/football players who know their teammate has a problem, but has to find a way to confront them. They will.

Or the kids in high school who are targeted and picked on by the “cool kids” for being different – because at my high school, George Huguely would have been one of the “cool kids.” They have the power to stand up for themselves and to be compassionate towards others. They will.

I hope Yeardley Love’s family and friends can find some closure in this. And, more importantly, I hope they can find some kind of peace in this judgment.'

powerful post Zombie hands. Powerful post, man. Thank you for putting it into perspective.

Good and bad. Second degree when it could have only been manslaughter. But less time than such a heinous senseless act merited.
Sorry, Quagliana, George made his bed, now he has to lie in it. He made the choice of going to her apartment, breaking through her bedroom door, and attacking her. Now he has to live with the consequences.
I remember people saying when I was going up, when the "but he was drunk" excuse came up:
"If had sense enough to do it, he had sense enough NOT to do it."
Something strange this morning. I get USA Today nedws updates on e-mail. In my box was "Va Tech's Huguely convicted of second degree murder!" They used another headline in the actual story in the text however. But how on earth as well-publicized as this trial was could anyone make such a mistake? Unconscious act of a Hokie-hater?

Totally agree @ purple microdot.

And I don't buy the steroid speculation for one second. He was 209 lbs and not super muscular (doesn't really fit the characteristics of steroids). He looked more like a typical college guy to me - who worked out some, but drank and ate a lot too. His subsequent weight loss seems totally reasonably attributed to spending nearly two years in jail. No surprise there.

And you better believe that Fran and Rhonda would have used it in their defense if he had been on steroids.

Zombie hands: I am in full agreement with you. This trial should in no way be regarded as a call to arms for class warfare.

@just wondering - exactly - they learn how to get away with the crimes better.

Had GH5 lawyered up in the beginning - he would have been aquitted, if charges were ever brought forward. All the Commonwealth's evidence would have been would be the emails (possibly), the DNA under the nails. Based upon the video from the night before of them together - he could have gaffed that off as their last "romp" and he left her, she was fine. Someone else came in and stole her laptop and beat her to death over it. People have been killed for less.

Next time, he will know to lawyer up. He will know better how to handle it all so he doesn't go to jail, it doesn't mean he will not continue his crimes.

@Cville Native

Hmmm, interesting thought -- did he somehow not leave DNA -- did I hear that somehow? But either way, I will say he would have been the immediate natural suspect, the police would have tracked the laptop (fingerprints on that?), known he had a history of violence with her and his time being unaccounted for elsewhere --

and so, if he had taken that tack, I think he would have been more likely to end up first degree. Because it would mean he clearly knew she was killed. That he did not do this tended to support that he did not intend to kill, frankly, to me.

If she had not been killed in the brutal attack I guess he would be put on trial for attempted murder maybe. It certainly would not have gotten the press attention. I think it would have scared him enough to sober him up though. I really do feel he needed to be scared straight and 26 years in prison was over zelous.

Where are you going with Shay. Don't be afraid to share.

He will be an old fart when he leaves prison and hopefully will use his mind to help others behind bars. I have no doubt he will. I believe this, not because I think he is a good person, but because in prison it will be the only was he survives the numbing reality. I know hearsay is frowned upon but I "hear" and "say" that the Huguely family are devout catholics and it has factored into a few aspects of what may or may not have been said at the trial.

Cripes, Matthew! What did you want her to say? Did you want her to draft a contrived 40 page document to state the obvious?

I notice its the same blogger that writes the long winded diatribes, microdot.

Huguely was not on a full scholarship, and most lacrosse players are not. The lacrosse program has 12.6 scholarships total, I believe. The UVA lacrosse program is also revenue neutral or profitable most years.

Frank: What's wrong with Polo? That's a sport that's harder to master than lacrosse...

@kate burg: I agree. When I was a student in Boston, there were myriad music scenes, bar scenes, you name it. Students from Harvard to Northeastern still can be seen out nightly partying and going to class in a haze. It was fun.

Has George had any exposure to the media reporting this case since it happened?

Maybe this George V can learn from the legacy of the late George V of England and take up stamp collecting. Or maybe someone can smuggle him a rock hammer...

@Duke: Correct, it did not happen on campus. But .... they were students and the UVA culture is what brought this to happen. The only person responsible is Huguely. However, as long as we are demanding bystander intervention, we must demand that the school address all incidents of violence, and follow proper protocol each and every time, whether or not they occur on campus.

I do find it difficult to believe that the coach emerges unscathed from all of this. He knew what George was like, and as a mentor, he should have taken some actions. Coaches have a unique rapport with team members - and they cannot shrug off that responsibility.

However, I'll tell you from my experience with UVA, no one in the Administration wants to know when a student exhibits deviant behavior. Unfortunately, if they want the parents' money and the kids to become lifelong donors, they need to accept that they also have a responsibility for the welfare and discipline of the students while they are attending the school. And that may mean bringing a kid in, collaborating with the parents when there is a known proble, (even though they think these kids are adults), and establishing new protocols for dealing with violence.

I'm still disturbed by this..
http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2012/feb/22/remorseful-louisa-man-ser...

They all turn to religion when it suits them.

@Non-wealthy lax player: Even professional teams often hook up a rookie with a veteran to keep him in line and teach him good ways. Face it, I GH was a prime member of the team and his condition started to affect play, then the "babysitting" would have begun. Div I coaches in any top program (regardless of sport) will babysit when it suits them. Also, you forgot to mention the extemely close-knit environment in LAX that is unique; Starsia knew damn well. He is not "to blame for her death," but also needs to look in the mirror.

Now, let's look at the rosters of DI lacrosse teams and eye the schools from which these kids come; not many public schools from Hampton there. You are an anomaly; Huguely is not.

@Recovering Attorney: I think UVa has a huge moral and ethical responsibility to its students. One can't have it both ways: espouse some special honor code, trumpet some false superiority of "The University," then turn blind eyes to all the junk that goes on around the school

R.I.P.: Forrest Tucker

Shay: I somewhat agree with you. Either way, whether George goes to jail or does not go to jail, he will still have to live with this the rest of his life and be labeled as the "murderer of Yeardley Love." I feel sorry for both families, but I'm a bit nauseated by some people's reactions in which they exhibit so much emotion as if they actually knew these people personally (this is not directed at those who actually do).

I'm also sick of people with their half-cocked theories where they say "oh, he'll do it again," 'kill him and the father," or some other scapegoat seeking remark that wreaks of asinine intention.

If I were either the Love or Huguely family, my wish would be to be respectfully left alone.

@ Jason - I have also wondered if cocaine could have been involved, as I do know it is prevalent in certain "elite" circles at colleges.

Regarding alcohol or drug testing, there was no testing that was admitted into evidence for George. It certainly seems like the police did not give him a breathalyzer or any sort of blood test, because otherwise, I am sure one side or the other would have used it to help their case.

I don't think anyone (outside of the athletes and athletic department) knows when and how often any athletes are drug-tested. Perhaps the lacrosse athletes were tested soon before, or after, Yeardley's death. I don't think we would really know about that.

I find it hard to believe (but not impossible of course) that the police would cover up something if they had found evidence of drugs. They seemed to search GH's apartment (and one of his friends' apartment I think) pretty thoroughly. I would be surprised if police were colluding with UVA to cover up something like that, but I guess you never know.

Case tried. Verdict read. The only thing Hogwash can do now is lower the sentence. My question is which Huguely relative brought a 10 year old girl to a sentencing? Her crying in front of cameras saying "its too much" took me from feeling sorry for the Huguely family to laughing at the outlandish decison.

What's up with the attack on Judge Hogshire? I thought he conducted the trial with dignity and efficiency and was one of the few major players to emerge from the last 2 1/2 weeks with his reputation intact. (Chapman did as well.)

As for the cocaine speculation, I've long thought about how tough it is to drink heavily for 15 hours without some sort of amphetamine booster, so I wouldn't be surprised at all. I don't understand what anybody in a position power would have to gain by covering it up though.

@ In the land of hoos - what the heck??

You must not have really read anything I've written, because I've said that I think the verdict was fair. Some people think it's too much, some think it's too little. But I think it's pretty fair considering what I've seen of the evidence. I've never said anything about spirituality or anything, so you must be confusing me with someone else. I think 20+ years is a darn long time to sit in jail thinking of what you've done, and I hope it makes Mr. Huguey a better person.

And yes, as a UVA alum, I have been very interested in this case. I don't like thinking of how poor Yeardley Love spent the last few hours of her life. And I also don't like seeing the University I love so much thrust into the limelight for such a terrible situation. So forgive me if that bothers you.

Jason and Kate Burg: I have been wondering why the BAC or illicit substance tests, if even adminstered, were not entered into evidence either. I recall one weekend at the beach in Delaware during the summer of 2010, standing outside on a deck drinking some beers when a couple in the forties asked me for a light. We started chatting and I found out they were on holiday from Chevy Chase. Immediately I thought of the Love murder and asked them if they had been following. Turned out that the couple happened to neighbors of Huguely's and they emphatically supported his character saying that his mindset was brought about the excessive drinking and, they suspected, too much "yo" -- cocaine. Apparently, the term "yo" is what the UVA lax players call the drug in code and that was/is used with some recreational frequency at parties. They also said that GHV had been pressured all his life to excel at lacrosse. It will interesting to see if Huguely's attorneys will seek out this information if they pursue an appeal.

@hoos - this is an open forum, people can post on here as much as they want and if you haven't noticed, this whole trial has caught wide attention and interest, hence why we're all here.

There is a Q and A session in the Post with one of the reporters at the trial. Fairly interesting. I also am curious why a small child was hauled into court to watch the verdict. I don't think it showed good sense and seemed to be a dramatic mock.

Confucius say -- When in deep water , don't open mouth .

Does anyone know why George's dad was absent last night?

DofW- I also have spoken with people that grew up with him and near him and some who went to UVa with him and everyone said he was a nice boy- not malicious, not sick, not with a history like Robert Chambers that went way back into childhood. He wasn't known to kill Barbie dolls or maim cats. Even a very respected and accomplished classmate of GHV's who graduated in 2010 told me that GHV used to come by his fraternity often and said that he was really nice, really friendly and a "good guy". Like Still Interested, I agree it's not a good idea to bring religion into this but, I think ultimately, he was a good person who was born good and I also have heard that his mother is a nice, beautiful (inside) person. To me, his sickness was alcohol and he never got help, nor did it come to him.

We can blame all sorts of people, though of course he is ultimately to blame, I do not disagree with that. I am not defending him. I am just putting it into a perspective that is meaningful to me. This story hits home to me because I was once in Yeardley's shoes. I went to UVa and dated a fellow student on and off for a long time, even well after we graduated. He also had a drinking problem that caused him to do some very bad things to me, and to others. He also abused cocaine. He got in fights with bartenders, cops, friends and me. It was a toxic situation that I stupidly put up with, and I stupidly didn't help him with. You can say I am stupid, or Yeardley was, but we both saw good in these people at some point and for more than just a short time. And for me, I was young, and caught up in having my own fun and not paying attention to the seriousness of what could happen. I felt invincible. It was like one big party that simply had some ups and downs, is what it felt like at the time. This was in the 90's too, and there wasn't as much awareness about domestic violence as there is today, I believe. Everyone knew he would get crazy with alcohol, but no one took the time to say 'get him some help". I can't say what Yeardley thought, but I knew a really good side to this guy I was with, we had a friendship and it sounds like Yeardley did too. I received a letter like the one Yeardly did, and multiple apologies. My mother, like Yeardley's, got very worried, but she never went as far as Yeardley's to tell me to get a restraining order. This boy ended up in jail a time or two for assaulting me. The whole story feels all too familiar.

Ultimately, I broke up with him (after much too long) and he ended up growing up and out of it on his own- darn lucky nothing terrible happened to me or anyone else. I'd say he finally grew up around age 27. He was known to his friends for being aggressive and abusive, verbally and physically. But like I said, he was lucky that he grew up. We both have healthy marriages now and kids. We both have successful careers. But I keep thinking, and so does my mom these past weeks... this could have been me. And I can ASSURE you, that my family would have wanted him to fry if he murdered me. And I'd be pissed (wherever I was!) too that he'd done it, but I'd also be sad for him, because I knew he was not a sicko, twisted psychopath or intentional killer. He had a BAD BAD BAD problem with alcohol... and up in heaven, I might be looking down on him, pissed as hell, but also sorry that he never got help, nor did it come to him, because I knew that he loved me deeply, saw me as his best friend, and would not have "meant" to cause such grave harm.

Lesson-- anytime moving forward you see ANYONE at all with a problem, DO SOMETHING. Do not hesitate. Speak up. Say something and have the balls to confront an uncomfortable situation. I do not see GHV as a twisted sicko (of which there are many out there), I think he needed help- BADLY, and he didn't get it. And by the way, I am tired of all the entitlement comments, the guy I was with was not a LAX guy, and he wasn't that wealthy. It happens in all socio-economic levels.

Now I know you all are going to lambaste me on several counts. But you can be an educated (UVa for that matter!) person and stay with people you shouldn't... or become an alcoholic.

DON'T SIT BY! Help people who need help!!

@ Recovered from Dysfunction - thanks for sharing your story.

Dysfunction...great post! I too know people who know GWH5 and his parents and grandparents and while he may have been a nice kid they clearly knew he had problems with alcohol...his father is fifty something going on 15 and partied right along with his son...the divorce was nasty and of course the children are the ones to suffer...with that being said I think the parents had sufficient signs they needed to get counseling for their son! There is way to much alcohol abuse on campuses around the country and I hope there will be some changes made, but I sincerely doubt it...I use to show up unannounced on campus when my children were in college and believe me it was eye opening!!

Abby: My apologies.

Duke - Accepted.

Woodchuck baby, you don't see 26 years without the possibility of parole a long sentence? Someone please explain to Woodchuck the difference between what 26 years means in Virginny and what i means in say, Maryland.

26 years minus 15% minus time served gets him out in his mid 40s. Society could even wind up with a George VI to deal with. No, that's not fair.

Though he'll spend the prime of his life in jail, GH could have perhaps 40 years of freedom when he gets out. 40 years, no doubt in the lap of luxury provided by a sizeable inheritance. What does Yeardley Love have? Zip. No, this is not fair!

His family money is working magic? I didn't see the magic. I did, however, see lazy and unprepared, lame, weak etc...

Oh sad. He will be old and ugly when he is out in his 40's. He shouldn't have kids because he will be too old to play with them and he will not find a pretty wife at that age. His entire life is taken from but the jury found he took a life so he is paying fror his crime.

Hawes Spencer gave an excellent explanation of why Huguely's parents didn't testify on their son's behalf in the sentencing phase. Coy Barefoot show today :

http://www.wina.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5703347

@sue lord. Yes. *Enabling* magic. GH5's violent and abusive behavior has been enabled by his family, school, coaches, and friends. If he wasn't born into wealth and privilege, he would have been locked up long before he ever got around to finally killing someone. And *if* the judge reduces his sentence, it will just more of that same enabling. IMO it's time GH5 was finally held accountable for his actions. It's tragic that he wasn't held accountable sooner.

@Captain Crunch Girl: You must be young....most men in their 40's are trading in their wives for young trophies. He can find a young one at that age, at 50, at 60 ........

Michael Sutton -- What is your authority that the Commonwealth ever offered to plead this case down to second degree murder--much less offered a sentence of less than 25 years? (Although the median sentence for M2 in VA has been 19 years in recent years according to : http://www.snookandhaughey.com/news/huguely-the-aftermath/ -- i.e., half the sentences are shorter -- to wit the recent Bowles case in Charlottesville, 15 years for stabbing his wife 16 times.)

You can't just walk into court and plead guilty to the lesser crime if the prosecution doesn't agree to that, for if you do, the prosecution can still try you for murder 1.

While I am sure the rumors of vicious inmate on inmate assaults are true --to those of you who sneer and chuckle about that, shame on you. May you never find yourself or a loved one incarcerated, as "Karma is a b**ch . . .
To the "guards" who allow it or look the other way, they should be charged, convicted, and put into that population as punishment. They are as despicable as the inmates who engage in such behavior, and it is disheartening to know my taxes go to pay their salaries.

cin17, maybe his birthright did buy him some time, but that's the world in which we all live. We do not live in a classless society. Money equals power.

So what? Miss Love lived in the same world without the same monetary advantages.

The judge will not reduce the time. The Huguely family does not have that kind of money.....

Janis -- there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Huguely was on steroids. The speculation by some in the media and some on these boards is utterly baseless. Prison food, no alcohol, and the worry of going to prison for a long time, maybe even life, would take 30 pounds off of almost anyone. But then again, the group-think was he was having a high old time in jail the past 18 months, expecting to be back to his ole ways as soon as the trial was over.

An Observer - how does one have "A high old time in jail"?

Restore the Republic -- agree with you (and the retired Judge) 100%. Hearing the interviews from UVa students and a couple of the jurors, I did somewhat underestimate the intense animosity on grounds and in town toward Huguely for the very bad light his conduct put the University in. That probably had a hand in tipping the verdict to Murder 2.

On the computer -- Having seen (and replaced) laptops that have barely survived 4 years of college, there is no way the computer was worth $200. In fact, to me the prosecutor almost conceded the point when the best witness he could come up with was the local pawn broker. Pawn brokers have to be in the pocket of the local police and prosecutor to keep the doors open. They are always vulnerable to being charged with receiving stolen property. Accordingly, I would not have found that testimony convincing. The conviction on grand larceny contradicts the rest of the evidence that the jurors were well-educated and thoughtful. Petty larceny; absolutely.

Thoughtful -- precisely! But to hear many here, especially the "he must have been a steroid user because of the difference in his appearance between his arrest and trial," Huguely was lounging around snacking and playing cards or something.

I am curious about George's current incarceration ... is he in solitary? is he allowed to use a computer or take online classes?

Little Georgie was separated from the regular prison population and given his own cell for his own protection as happens in a lot of high profile cases. I suspect he's still there. He would last a very short time in general population given his socio-economic background and the fact that he's white. After sentencing he will at last be transferred to a state prison, I hope its not a nice one.

An Observer - I acknowledge your post.

If the jury were so astute then a Dell laptop would not have pulled the insane charge. Money changes value daily and $200 back when the law was written is not the same today. A jury passing judgement on this fact is obviously not well informed. Anyone one want to do a year for their piece of crap useed computer today/ I rest my case!

@Perspective - I don't think you have to worry about the prison being nice. Prison is prison, not holiday camp.

@Perspective - didn't mean to be sarcastic. It's just that some people on here are fretting that 26 years is not enough and that maybe he won't have a bad enough time in prison. Personally I think 1 week in prison would be hell, what to speak of 26 years - that's a third of most people's lifetime.

@An Observer. Both the Bowles case and Huguely's case are similar, in that a man gets a slap on the wrist for murdering his (in)significant other. It's sad that the chattel system is still alive and well in the 21st century, and women's lives are so devalued by our so-called justice system.

@Restore the Republic. That "piece of carp" Dell had incriminating evidence on it. I think most folks are smart enough to realize that 1 year for evidence tampering (couched as grand larceny) is a very light sentence. Also the fact that GH5 was sober enough to remove evidence when he could have called 911 instead. IMO, he deserved more time for the theft, as it showed how callously calculating he was.

Cin17 - not relevent but I just gotta - I am a 24 year old black male. If a crime happens anywhere in my vicinity I immediatly assume everyone thinks I did it. It goes with the territory of coffee colored skin. Not even I think that he somehow got a light sentence. Its hard time. He got hard time. At most the computer would have added 3 years had he looked more like me. Get over it.

and one more thing - you are whining and whining about his background. That tells me that anyone different then you is getting favorable treatment. It also tells me that you probably middle to upper america white america and consider yourself elite and noone tells you enough so you are trying to get reaffirmation that you are so called priveledged. Trial ended, and if you are still interested in this loser then google all there is to knw about prisons and what will happen in Act 2.

The best punishment for Huguely is to stop talking about him. Irrelevance goes a long way in torturing someone. Make the guy a nobody. For people still interested whether is trial was fair or not why don't you donate money to criminal defense funds for people who are convicted of crimes who don't have access to so called best lawyers. If you are still so concerned about it - write him. He is allowed to receive mail. Hey! Maybe he will play the irrelevant card right back at you!

@just wondering - I just found out there was his DNA on the door and hair on the door so perhaps it would not have made a difference with his interview with the police - however, on the accounts of the interviews with the Jury Forewoman and one of the jurors out there - they used that video taped interview to determine much of the decission they made.

If he had lawyered up, they may never have found the laptop. The DNA/hair in the room - could have been explained away as the "last romp" - somehow his DNA and hair were found there but "someone else" had done the deed and stole the laptop. (There would have been more reasonable doubt there to play with for the defense.)

Personally, I don't see lawyering up as guilt for anything - I see it as not being railroaded in any situation dealing with law enforcement. As I stated here, if the police want to search my home, they can with a warrent and with my attorney present. They will not find anything at all BUT, I refuse to be railroaded in any way, shape or form.

@Susan Russell, as a native of the area and alum, I could not agree with you more here on all points you have made. Our school systems take "no tolerance" stances all the time, why can't our Universities or colleges out there?

Suggest you all read the accounts of how the Jurors came to the verdict -

http://www.newsplex.com/huguelytrial/headlines/Huguely_Juror_Speaks_Out_...

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/02/george_hug...

Janis said, "There has been talk about him having been on steroids... Does anyone know anything about this?"

One of his team mates was caught smuggling steroids back from Mexico on a family vacation. I don't know whether GH was a user or not, but apparently his associates were and he likely had access to them. Steroid use would also be consistent with his brutal violence.

@woodchuck - #1 if this had been an issue - the defense would have used "roid rage", they did not and Division 1 Athletes are tested for this - they knew if they even brought this up, the Commonwealth would have accessed all those records/blood tests.

It is a non-issue - along with the "cocaine use" the fact is GH5 with malice caused Yeardley's death, he has been convicted. Go look at the Juror's interviews - his drinking - wasn't a factor except for the fact that they knew he had a problem that he obviously didn't take care of, and no one else but Yeardley appeared to confront him on that issue either.

Really? Why must we second guess this verdict? Accept it people. I truly think he got off light but I accept it as it is. The Jury followed the law and justice is served.

Move on and make sure if you know of any situation like this in the future - say something, do something, move that UVA and other colleges out there take a no tolerence stand vs. any violence. Move that our whole society do that!

Cville Native -- not going to join you in name calling.

As I said in my comment, there was no CREDIBLE evidence of value over $200. In fact, I even identified the commonwealth's witness on valuation, and explained why I didn't think he was credible. I would have expected the jury, which has been described as highly educated (at least as juries go) to have found the CA's evidence on valuation, lacking. But, as you stated, they probably just split the difference after a long day.

FWIW -- the smuggling referred to by Woodchuck occurred when the player was in high school, NOT while he was at UVa or a teammate of Huguely's. In fact, in response to the incident, the high school in CT recognized it needed to improve it's fitness faculties and program so that students were not tempted to seek out steroids in an effort to improve athletic performance.

Cville, cross posted with your last post. I agree the jury has spoken. My comments on the GL conviction are just nitpicking. Overall jury appeared to take their responsibility seriously.

@moving on. "Get over it?" What the heck is that supposed to mean? We are all here giving our opinions so you might as well include everyone, even yourself, in the "get over it" lecture.

I don't think Bowles got enough time. I don't think Huguely got enough time. In each case, the brutal taking of a woman's life was not considered serious enough to garner serious time. IMO that's a very sad commentary on our society and the injustice inherent in our culture. You don't have to agree with me but telling me to "get over it" is absurd. Personally, I wish our culture would "get over" viewing a woman's brutal murder as excusable. But, sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

Cville and your many monikers - I kind of have to agree that its time to put the conspiracy theories to rest. As the Duke suggested, your kind of making a mockery of it all now. Amen to brother moving on - turn the page. Georgie will spend the next 2 months with the horrible realization that where he is going isn't Congressional country Club. His "daddy" will indeed be protecting him but it will be a daddy of a different kind. Being a white, extremely pretty, and famously "rich" will set him up for horrors.

Did I read that GHIV was only in court that first day and never came back?

Also interesting that the juror in the Slate interview said the jury was not aware that their sentencing was only a recommendation and that it's possible Hogshire would reduce to 19 years, which is more the average and let the 1 year go on the grand larceny. Gah, I hope not. Hawes seemed to indicate in his interview on WINA that due to the fact that this jury clearly worked hard to do a good job, it was likely that Hogshire would leave the sentence as-is.

I did like where the Slate jurist said the jury didn't fall for the defense's bullsh*t and were almost offended by it. And saw George lying at every opportunity first in the interview to cover his ass.

@ moving on

My comment wasn't meant antagonistically towards you. Geez louise, take a chill pill.

"Booo, are you a "rich white boy" who wants to perpetuate this image of lacrosse. More then likely you or your kid play lacrosse and you want eveyone to associate it with money. Pay for protective custody? yeah, thats how it wrks."

Not rich. I'm not even male. :D Never played lacrosse. Don't have any kids, and never intend to. So, you're wrong on all fronts. So much for "more than likely."

Like I said, my comment wasn't meant antagonistically towards you, but apparently you're already on the defensive so you can't differentiate between a random musing and somebody who's actually attacking you.

But that aside, the point of my comment was a musing about the idea of George actually having to be in with the rest of the prison population, and not sequestered away with special treatment, thanks to daddy's money. The reason I say that is because it was reported that George spent the last 2 years separated from the rest of the jail population.

Patrick: If Huguely is smart, he will do his time how James "Whitey" Bulger did his: being obedient, studying, and then make up for lost time.

What's prison food like in comparison with hospital food?

UVA lacrosse players are subject to random drug testing throughout the season and every player is tested before heading into the NCAA tournament (which would have been about a week after Love's death). The idea that he was using steroids is just silly. He was drunk and had an alcohol and anger problem. Let it go...

Prisons are fairly safe places. The very sad fact is that there are many men and women who lead a healthier and more productive life behind bars then they ever did or will do in the so called free world. The stories of rapes in prisons are highly exaggerated. Although, it is likely that at some point in GHV's prison career he will have to contend with sexual assault. George can ask for protective custody if he does not feel safe. My guess is that the prison warden doesn't want him in "general population" anymore then he wants to be in general population. That being said, by his mid 30's he will have assimilated well into the culture.

hook reader: Yeah, because he's probably having the time of his life right now...

@Just an FYI - "Prisons are fairly safe places." - What experience/authority or where did that come from - out of thin air? Oh no they are not! And rapes happen all the time in Prisons and at ACRJ (though not as often at the local facilities) and those officers at the prisons are in danger every day, just like police officers and a police officer would tell you they wouldn't want a Correctional Officer's job - ever.

A family member who is in corrections, they tell those going on to a State Facility - "Go to the biggest guy when you are put out in GP and hit him - you will get segregation, you will get your butt handed to you but when back out you will have respect. Different code of ethics in there than out here folks.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texas-leads-nation-in-pr...

“Protecting prisoners from sexual abuse remains a challenge in correctional facilities across the country,” the commission for the new law stated in its 259-page report. “Too often, in what should be secure environments, men, women and children are raped or abused by other incarcerated individuals and corrections staff.”

http://www.bravemantherapy.com/articles/prison.htm

For the record here - GH5 money can not buy protection of his son - he will be "remanded" to the Virginia Department of Corrections in April after the formal sentencing. He will probably not go back to ACRJ - he will leave in the custody of DOC.

Just days before the murder, Yeardley's mother urged her to get a restraining order against GH based on his recent behavior. Did the jury ever come to know that? It seems to me that indicates premeditation on Huguely's part, otherwise Mrs. Love would have to have been clairvoyant.

Let me just ask respectfully, if you have not been in a prison either as a volunteer, employee, or prisoner then don't rely on hearsay from Uncle Bubba or dubious internet articles. A prison is not fun, a prison is not a place George Huguely would ever want to be. 25 years in a prison is not something I would wish on anyone. Prison administration, staff, and volunteers should be commended for the work they do in making as safe as possible.

@Just FYI - I have a SPOUSE who worked at ACRJ for 5 years, works for Virginia DOC for now another 5 years - that is where I have my basic info - someone who works there day in and day out for over 10 years. So kiss my ---. To say they are safe? You are delusional! My spouse has been to the hospital on several occassions because those he is to protect decide they want to "act up". There were two officers taken hostage at ACRJ not long ago. One inmate almost had his head cut off in another incident. There was a suicide not long ago - can I go on and on?

I am not relying on hearsay but you obviously are - prisons are safe my butt they are.

FYI, I thnk you are trying to be nice but I think that we all know its brutal there in prison. Saying prison is safe is like saying George is a good boy to have as a boyfriend. I respect that you do do ministry work.
Now, C-ville can you nicely tell us what your husband thinks will become of George in prison? I respect that he works in the prisons so the rest of us are safe.

Wrong, yet again, Michael. There was speculation in advance of the 12/10 pretrial hearing that a plea agreement was forthcoming -- instead at the hearing the defense requested access to Ms. Love's medical records.

Please stop making up stuff and posting it as truth. The number of times some whopper has been posted in the comment on this blog and reported as "truth" by someone else is frightening.

I'd be shocked it there were NOT plea discussions while the case was pending. I applaud both the prosecutor and the defense for keeping the substance of any such discussions to themselves.

REMORSE is always factored in.

Google translate? I don't have spell check. So in the 60's I started an PR campaign for the internet? Then after that 180 cases before this and another half of dozen after Hugeley was arrested.

Wow, gibberish.

I and my Father,

Lucius Burch:

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/entry.php?rec=160

Irving Salky,

Russel Sugarman

http://wknofm.org/post/funeral-benjamin-hooks-civil-rights-renaissance-man

Joe Dycus, Charlie Black

and countless others fabricated this for gain on The HOOK.

Get real!

Grisham is relevant because he knows each of these men! We use to see him on various court room steps in Memphis and Southaven. We went to the same lakes, observed what he so eloquently rights about with composites.

I have been to baseball games when he played not knowing who he was.

Your proud to have him, go to Oxford or anyplace in Southwest Tennessee or Northern Mississippi when he is in town.

And, we know about the last years of William Faulkner as well as his best!

Before I set foot onto Grounds I had never been drunk before in my life.

That first weekend...embarking on Rugby Rd and eventually Phi Kapp and ZBT...I felt the effect of alcohol for the first time on my system...what had I been missing!

The next several years of my life were marked by arrests, fights, and hospitalizations.

UVA taught me to respect and fear the cruel harsh reality of booze. Love's death is a result of a system that looks the other way at substance abuse, encourages recklessness, shields the tip top, and fosters life long addiction.

My worst memory from UVA was the story of a friend of mine that I don't doubt. She was drugged and raped at a frat, reported the crime to UVA and never sought justice. For every beautiful dead lacrosse player like Ms. Love, there are a thousand silent tribulations forever endured by less famous girls that still feel pain.

Every college student has to dip his/her toe into the pond and experience life for the first time...I just wish alcohol hadn't been a part of it.

Michael Sutton: this was about Yeardley Love, not Morgan Harrington. Do you have to make everything about your anger with the Harrington family? Why don't you show some class. Stop bringing up the Harringtons everywhere. And for heaven's sake, man, it's SHINY, not shinny. Spell checker or not, you can't mistype that mistake the forty times you've said it on various sites. Get a dictionary, man!

Sutton you were fine until you started talking about the Harrington's. Calling Dan Harrington a coward is absolutely the dumbest thing anyone could ever state. You have no idea what this man has done. You have no idea what this family has done to help others when it comes to losing loved ones to murder. Yes I said it. MURDER. Yeah, yeah I know you come on here acting like you know so much about this case but yet you don't know half of what you think. You have heard nothing but rumors just like the rest of us. Only LE knows the facts that really make a difference and I know sure as hell they didn't tell you what they were. So please post freely, great country we have that people like you can make a comment but can't back it up in person. Coward??? Not hardly. You on the other hand!!!!!!

@Betty - of course Huguley showed remorse. He didn't cry when the verdict was read, he cried when he heard Love's mother and sister speak at the impact statement. Just because he killed someone doesn't mean he has no feelings. People are not so simple as that and to paint someone as devoid of any human feelings based on one act is just superficial. And Huguley's mother seems like a very nice person, who expressed early on her condolences to the Love family for what happened. I think it's best to refrain from making slanderous statements about people that are not based on any real knowledge.

@Smile on your brother - thanks for appreciating my perspective. Because of what you expressed, I would like to post this, which I posted on another story which is not very active right now, but it fits in nicely with what you said:

The phrase "There but for the grace of God go I" has occured to me many times in this trial. We should be careful about throwing stones, because we may find ourselves in a position one day where we are judged severely. For example, a child is unattended for a few minutes and falls and hits its head, the parents take the child to the ER and have their child taken from them and are charged with child abuse (happened to friends of mine). In the UK a house catches fire and in her confusion the mother runs out the door, it locks behind her and her children are trapped inside, die in the fire, and she is charged with the murder of her own children. A woman is driving a car at 80mph while talking on her cell phone and hits the car in front, gets out and screams "I was on the phone! I was on the phone!" Both passengers in the car she hits are killed, the judge tells her she has taken the life of two people, and she is sentenced to 20 years in prison. In Australia a older man tells a younger man that he is breaking water regulations by using a hose, an altercation breaks out, the older man dies of heart failure and the younger man is charged with murder, crying in court as he is charged. While many here may think that they would not do what Huguley did, life can throw on us the most awful circumstances due to oversight or carelessness. Perhaps we should then not be so ready to judge others or delight in their punishment. If we do so, we cannot call ourselves human beings, for we are no better than a pack of vicious animals

Betty- Wow. Your anger and mean spirit is really sad and you must surely bring about a lot of negative karma for yourself on a regular basis. I pity you.

You said: "Only remorse Huguely showed was crying when they played the video of his interview with police. He was sorry he got caught, NOT sorry he killed her. It's all about HIM, what HE wants and always has been."

How do you know that he is not devastated about her loss? I would be shocked if he wasn't. Of course he is sorry for himself that he is in this spot he is now in, but I don't think for one second he is not remorseful, does not think about it nearly every moment of every day and sheds tears at the loss of his dear friend and feels a cavernous pit of pain that hurts him to the very core. I doubt very seriously it is all about him in his mind as you knowingly opine. I bet he is absolutely devastated about what he did. And as the jury even agreed, he did not set out to kill her and didn't know she was dead when he was taken in the next morning. He is human. He had a relationship with her family as well, I bet he is mortified and has a pain in his body and conscience that most of us will never ever be able to imagine what it could feel like. He made a terrible mistake. He did not seek help for his very sick problem. He is paying the price and he knows he did wrong. I assume you are just perfect in every way.

You said: "Huguely and his parents are HORRIBLE, entitled people of privilege who are now entitled to all the wrath the world can bestow on them."

What a nasty, mean, unfounded comment.

You said: "Can't wait for the wrongful death suits"

Uhhh... and why is that?

Seek anger management or if you are not a Christian, Buddhist, Jew or any other religion- go check in with one to learn about some positive ways to live--or just get a good book about being a good person-- learn a bit about love, forgiveness, respect, kindness.

I hope no one in your family or group of friends ever makes a terrible mistake and you have to change how you look at things. Bah humbug calling Marta Murphy, of anyone, a horrible person. You don't know what went on in their family. You don't know her.

It's worrisome to have someone like YOU on the streets.

Sorry Janis, you give the Hugelys way too much credit for any remorse they might feel towards what has happened. Actions speak louder than words and dear old dad wasn't even present during sentencing. They might be human beings but they represent the bottom of the gene pool, hopefully Georgie will be unable to inflict his on the pool before he crooks.

Perspective do you know the family personally? I'm guessing you don't. We have no idea how they are feeling, but I think its safe to assume they aren't sitting around regaling the fact that their child killed someone.

The anger exhibited by GH on May 2, 2010 was unjustified.

The anger felt by those as a result of his actions is within the realm of reasonable reactions to the fact that he beat a girl so badly she died. Some people may not be as angry, but you can certainly understand the feelings of others, can you not?

I just don't understand why people feel the need to edit other people's feelings.

All we know about GH is what we are fed by the media. If you have ever been in the media for any reason at all, you know that only part of the story is told.

No one on here knows exactly how he feels. We all can only imagine.

If I were in his shoes when I was that age, I certainly would know that the angry reactions by some come with the territory of murder.

I would be astounded to have women patting me on the shoulder looking past it all so quickly.

zombie hands - I was responding to the irony that some people on here seem to be pouncing all over others who may have a differing point of view than them about this mess, and yet at the same time they seem to minimize what GH has done... all without having access to all the facts.

I am waiting and waiting for a YMCA to be built in C-ville.

Why do you have zombie hands?

@Waiting and Waiting - I think you are confusing the frustration that some of us are feeling about the tendency of some to paint a superficial portrait of someone as evil incarnate, as overlooking or minimizing his actions. It's not that we overlook what he has done, or minimize it. It's just that judgment has been passed by the judicial system and Huguely will serve his sentence accordingly. Justice has been carried out and hateful rants won't really help things - they won't being back Love and they won't speed up Huguley's rehabilitation. Do we really want people to remain criminals forever, just so we can enjoy the self-righteous delight of condemning them eternally for their mistakes? I for one am concerned that in order to prevent this kind of behavior it's causes need to be understood more deeply. Superficial assessments and hateful attacks don't deepen our understanding or make the world a better place. If we want to reduce violence on the physical level, it first has to be reduced on the level of thoughts and words.

Betty said "There is no forgiveness for a man who kills a defenseless, sleeping woman. None whatsoever!"

So you believe in eternal damnation? That's what it sounds like. Many of the scriptures of the world's religions will not agree with you on this point. Why would you not want Huguley to be redeemed for his crime? Do you want him to remain like this forever and commit violence against others? Or would you rather he feel remorse, serve out his sentence and be rehabilitated and ultimately forgiven? Surely the latter is better for us a society.

Well said, Thoughtful.

Betty- actually, surprising as it may be to you, I am quite familiar with the Landon scene. I come from a similar scene and guess what?... There is more philanthropy where I am than you can imagine. This year alone, I, personally, have created a program that has transformed the lives of many in my community for the better. No one's smushing me like a bug. Quit the "entitlement" brigade.

waiting and waiting...
I have skinny hands...

Thoughtful: "If we want to reduce violence on the physical level, it first has to be reduced on the level of thoughts and words."

While that sounds all well and good, and looks great on paper, I have a feeling GH went off because he did not have enough venues for expressing his anger. Thoughts and words are actually a great place to express anger instead of through physical means.

And while I agree with your views most of the time, I don't understand why you are so quick to show compassion toward GH, but toward posters with anger about what he did you are showing no compassion at all. We all here come from different places emotionally and so it's understandable that people will respond differently.

But for you to act like someone has issues because they are angry at the person that beat a woman death....
well, they are allowed to be angry...that's not illegal and you are not the thought police.

Waiting and waiting- I think one main thing that Thoughtful is trying to express, and I agree with him/her is that the world would be a better place if there was less anger, more understanding and more efforts to help those who have gone awry. To wish so much evil doesn't really help anything, but I don't think anyone is trying to be "thought police", just offering ideas that might be healthier ways of living. I'm always so amazed when I see interviews of murder victims parents or family members who have "forgiven" the murderer. Wow. How truly amazing and I don't know if I could ever do it really. But I venture to guess that those people are a lot more freed as they don't live their lives burdened with anger and evil thoughts. For me in this case- I am not a family member of a victim but as both sides are humans, I feel compassion for everyone involved and am sick that ghvs anger did not get under control. Back to my main point of all--- jump in when u see someone going off kilter as such. People can turn around.

Posted this on the latest thread, but since this one is more active, I'll post it here, too. A good commentary on the Love/Huguely tragedy:

http://wnst.net/wordpress/blog/2012/02/24/friday-mud-asks-how-can-we-mak...

Shay -- from the judge's conduct to date in this case, I don't see him reducing the sentence. He has telegraphed so far he wants this stink of a case off his desk and out of his courthouse ASAP.

Some food for thought, though. If the judge just adopts the recommendation and imposes the 26 year sentence, I do not believe the judicial system retains any control over Huguely once his sentence is served. No probation officer check-ins, etc. If the judge suspends some portion of the sentence, he can impose conditions on Huguely's behavior for the time period suspended -- such as no drugs/alcohol, with periodic checks, etc. For those concerned Huguely is sure to do harm again, this would be at least some insurance against that. It is possible there is some control after release for the period of any "good behavior" time earned. Someone better versed in the intricacies of VA Dept. of Corrections regulations might want to weigh in on that.

A Recovering Attorney - Thank you for your comments on the jurors and their quick willingness to comment. They (imo) are looking for the 15 mins. of fame we are all told we get in life. I can't imagine going through each piece of evidence, making a decision on his guilt and to what degree, then heading out to the nearest news agency and blabbing everything that happened in deliberations. With four (did I read that right) of the jurors on the payroll at UVa, you would think they would have had better sense. One that had experience with alcholics?? Grow out of alcholism? Not happening...if he is an alcoholic then he will ALWAYS be an alcohlic (recovering maybe). Can't wait until we get to the appeal portion...it ought to be more fun than the trial was. Prayers to BOTH families as the cliche' states "it ain't over til the fat lady sings"....They still have a very long road ahead of them.

Regarding the jurors' opinions on Georgie getting over his alcoholism and being "safe" to roam the streets again......dang, just wish they'd keep their mouths shut! It's not about rehab-ing Georgie, it's about Yeardley. It's not their job to speculate upon how an alcoholic recovers.
Everyone knows Georgie and family, friends, Yeardley knew he had a problem. He STATED as much in that email to Yardley after attempting to murder her the first time, that alcohol was messing him up. He CHOSE NOT to get help. Who cares if he was in denial so typical of alkies? Heck, we're ALL in denial about something, but it's no excuse. Adults are adults b/c they take responsibility for themselves, if not they must live with the consequences period! It was not up to anyone but Georgie to take the bull by the horns and man up and deal. He did not. That he did not, and ended up murdering a beautiful, healthy, innocent, young woman who was asleep in her own bed, should have resulted in----if not 1st degree (as he'd left emails saying he should have killed her, he'd brutally attacked a sleeping innocent man, he'd threaten to kill some of the Lexington PD, and he'd strangled Yeardley to the degree another man had to break it up, so what were they waiting for? A spontaneous recovery, a miracle???), but at least 2nd w/40 years at the minimum.
It's just too infuriating to hear the jurors speaking, how they were concerned with when Georgie would be out on the street! Just so much wrong, self important, misguided thinking. And that they discuss this so narcissistically makes it that much more obscene. Who cares how it affected them? Yeardley was and should have been at the foremost of all of their minds, nothing else besides her and the facts of the crime.

Thoughtful, many thxs for your input, but I respectfully see this differently. I don't think it's up to the jury to decide rehabilitation issue or possible outcomes. I just don't think jury's are in the business of associating the person they have deliberated upon with their past trauma or issues, past or present. IMOO. George's addiction problem is his and how he deals or doesn't, is up to him. He will have plenty of opportunities in prison to buy/use bootlegged drugs/cigs/alcohol as some convicts just simply become better criminals in prison, while others find God or do learn their lessons. I just don't think the jury is charged with trying to figure out what George will or will not do.

I, of course, defer to those people who know for a fact what it is a jury is charged with and what they are to do. This is the first time I've heard jury members speak up about thinking they were responsible for attempting to predict the outcome for a person they've just convicted of a crime. It strikes me as inappropriate and unreasonable. I don't believe seasoned professionals could accurately attempt to access George's future regarding his alcohol abuse. In fact no professional in the realm of addiction, spoke about George, his alcohol use and abuse, and if he was indeed an alcoholic.

As to George and his use of alcohol as it relates to the violence in this case, I'm not sure that alcohol did play a foundational part in his violent acts. I think it perhaps relaxed his inhibitions to act upon being violent, but I feel it is more likely that George had deeply buried, rising to the surface, anger management issues, that were becoming increasingly desperate and pronounced, and that alcohol was simply more of an "excuse" for him and his murderous impulses. Clearly this dude was moving in the direction of acting upon his rage, it was all escalating and people saw this and did nothing. It's hard to watch this trial and see that the jury could or would not address this as opposed to the alcohol aspect. He was a ticking time bomb. Alcohol became something he could hide behind and not take full responsibility for his behaviors. After all, he wrote Yeardley and told her alcohol was the reason for his attempt to strangle her. If someone really meant this, really believed this, and was disturbed by this, they would have addressed it instead of moving forward doing all the same things in the same way.

Think about it: if you had been found trying to strangle a loved one and was stopped by someone, and it was later pointed out to you, and you admitted it was problematic, wouldn't you have done something to insure you never did it again? And in spite of all of this he continued and wrote Yeardley an email stating he wanted to KILL her!!! He clearly did not take himself seriously when he tried to strangle her. He had threatened the Lexington officers with death! This was a homicidal man increasing his threats and behaviors and knew it, had time to reverse it, get help, at the least modify the drinking. Isn't this what it means to be an adult instead of a child? George would not take an iota of responsibility for much of anything: alcohol, behaviors, language, emails, being violent, stealing things, beating the s*** out of someone he said he loved, to the point of severe injury and death, staying true to what he said and wrote. He left Yeardley that night saying she was "flopping around on the bed like a fish". He wasn't THAT drunk, or that blacked out. He just chose to steal her laptop and NOT call for help for her. He's no alcoholic, he's a common, low class, liar, thief, and murderer, and will hide behind whatever he needs to in order not to be held accountable for anything. His weak, immoral character, or lack of one, was not addressed by the jury, and imo, if anything should have been, it would have been this aspect of him.

You are still whining about Huguely? He was convicted of murder, he will likely be sentenced to the full time recommended. Move on.

Thoughtful-

I'm confused...why do you keep bringing the Amanda Knox case up? Seems to me it's apples and oranges, esp as it was found that she didn't do it. Even if she did, those were totally different variables (such as circumstances, players, country, judicial system, jury, etc., etc.). I just don't see how it's relevant.

Hey Darnit, thanks for the compliment. It's nice to know it mattered to someone. I am beside myself with this loss of this young woman, and the types of predator-coward-bullies that attach themselves to the innocence and naivete of women like Yeardley. This is NOT a criticism of her either. It is sad that we now desire people to be cynical and calculating when meeting others, sizing others up and now must be held to "evaluating" anothers' mental health before you spend more than an hour or so with them. We are asking our young people to cater to the abusive and unstable.

I remember when I was growing up, a teen in the late 60's. I heard a TV commercial about car thefts. It was saying that if the owner of a stolen car had left the keys in the ignition, it was the (owners) fault the car got stolen. This was a huge disconnect for me as I had grown up in a world where doors remained unlocked, not only all day but night. Windows left open all the time. We kids sat in the car with windows rolled down in hot summers waiting for Mom to get her hair done or something really ridiculously long. When someone committed a crime it was clearly their fault. Period. This new paradigm shift for me signified a very confusing time for me. For suddenly I had new found responsibilities placed on me. I had to think for the criminal, to discern the abusers mind and intentions and held responsible for this. I think our psychological processes began to double back then for us and it has only escalated.

George is a simple brute, a thug, a murderer hiding behind a boy's face and Daddy's money. A psychopath most likely. And here we speak of his so called addictions. So what if he was an alcoholic. Most alcoholics never beat or kill others. To focus on his addiction is to miss the point and divest Georgie from being identified for who he is. I do believe a juror stated that he felt devastated-or some such word, for George. OMG. This makes me physically ill. What trance, what world is this person living in anyway?

But thanks again Darnit for getting where I was coming from here.

It is as if Lucifer wants to lead PETA!

Sutton, I will say this one more time potty mouth. You do not have a CLUE as to what you are talking about. First of all this article has nothing to do about the Harrington case but yet you drag their name over to the comment section. You also do NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT know anything about the case so quit telling the people you do. Just like the rest of us all you have heard are nothing more than rumors from articles. LE are the only ones that have information that's critical to this case and I know they never shared that with you. I believe in free speech but your routine has gotten boring. Not sure why you haven't been banned from this site. Maybe it's because of your humor. You offer nothing of substance that's for sure. Now please go wash your mouth out with soap for the cursing.

Al - Of course I believe that people are entitled to their opinions and I was trying to be respectful in my response to your comment. I had never addressed you before and our exchange started when you went on the attack by saying that my opinion was irrelevant. I was simply trying to defend my own position and state that I had a right to one since you clearly thought I was wrong. You are writing in a way to suggest that others have no right to an opinion (in this case me) all the while suggesting that this is what I am doing. If you attack people don't be surprised when they get defensive. A more conciliatory tone will get you different results.

Thoughtful. Maybe it would be more accurate to say you bring up Knox's case simply because you know what you know about it and feel like it. But to think that her case is some parallel to GHV is absurd. My opinion yes and it is objectively tangential and distracting.
Knox never admitted anything. GHV did.
Knox is a woman. GHV, a man and was drinking that night and had a history of escalating violence verbally and physically. Knox had no similar history.
If Knox did it, she had her boyfriend participate too most likely. GHV acted alone. One victim had her throat slashed and was definitively murdered. Yeardley was abandoned severely injured and compromised, left to die, but GHV may or may not have known this.
Remorse? Really? Knox never confessed to anything. GHV did. GHV expressing remorse? Where did you read this? Please link. Or are you simply assuming he was remorseful versus some behaviors or mumblings or words to manipulate others to think he was remorseful. Remorseful for GHV would have been to go immediately to AA when he admitted he had an alcohol problem or do rehab like normal adults do when they admit they have an issue with addiction and after they could have potentially killed someone they loved in an alcoholic blackout. Remorse is not emailing your girlfriend saying he should have killed her for dating another. Remorse is not saying you love your girlfriend as you are on your way to "speak" *kill* her and calling 3 other girls to see if they are home wanting company.
These two cases are so different I have a hard time why you are even bringing it up and diluting the focus on the victim at hand here. Knox had her supporters and her day, the victim of that case may never receive full justice. This is a place for Yeardley and her supporters wanting her to receive her justice, and to support and grieve for her. GHV got off light and is lucky, he will have a life after prison.

Al and Ryder- I had no idea that bringing up the Knox case would create such a disturbance. I thought it was an interesting comparison, that is all. It's no big deal for me really.

Ryder said "This is a place for Yeardley and her supporters wanting her to receive her justice, and to support and grieve for her". I think what you are talking about sounds more like a website dedicated to the memory of Love. If that is what you desire, and you feel strongly about it, you could set up a website that is dedicated to that purpose. There are many such websites dedicated to murder victims.

Michael Sutton: Nowhere in this article is Morgan Harrington mentioned. YOU ARE OFF TOPIC. Why must you speak on the Harringtons on any topic that comes up. "As if Lucifer wants to lead PETA."??? I have a suggestion: take your sour grapes elsewhere, they aren't wanted here, EITHER.

Michael Sutton, you are crazzzzzzzzy Man, get some help asap Bud. Lucifer and PETA? My God. Do you really expect folks to know what you are even spouting off or are you trying to M********* us and just waste everyone's time and energy?

Either way, it's hostile as all get out. Me thinks you get off on high drama and messing with folks minds here. For months and maybe years you come here and dangle names and cases and Grisham et al. and think folks take you seriously. Well Bud, no one does. Not one single person thinks you are legit. If anyone does speak now or forever hold your peace. I think you are holed up in your Project 8 housing all day and night going from blog to paper to the refrigerator for more ice back to the blogs wasting time. Other's time. Get a life Dude. Lucifer and PETA.

Again! Thank you Louise! Well said!!!

Virginia sucks...all that happens there is pretty girls die violently. time for Virginia to give up the ways of the Civil War losing Confederate ... it isn't working.

Pink - just a yankee spoutin' at the mouth....

"A good reason to ignore them and let them fade back under their bridge."
ha - just like all the dead girls that keep showing up in your town.
keep up the great work VSP / UVA

of course i can, but i am not law enforcement for Virginia nor am i the local constituency ... it is obvious you all don't want any help and you like it just the way it is.

start with the cases you have and then we can go into statistics ...

i think the evidence speaks for itself

Enlightened, thanks for explaining that. I had no idea.

i can also stereotype that Enlightened hates women. but that wasn't that tough to figure out, now was it?

just get on board and admit there is a problem with girls getting murdered and cases not getting solved in your area Charlottesville, Abelmarle, UVA. that is all anyone wants is for there to be admission that it isn't okay. but that is not what has happened. rapes and murders are getting swept under the rug. and it has been going on for a while ... very similar to the infrastructure at Penn State.

Charlottesville is a direct reflection of the entire state. if Charlottesville is having problems, then it is rampant throughout the entire state.

UVA and VSP know the answers ... it is just interesting and disgraceful that they are protecting someone.

you are lying, Enlightened ... you are not a woman.
Pink Panther ... you continue to show you don't know much about anything.

"When you have actually come here and do any real first hand research on anything, perhaps we will consider your opinion."
ha ... like your opinion is relevant. it is the opinions of the local congregation that continue to prevent progress in the area. suicidal sheriffs, institutional cover-ups, bullet riddled teenagers, police sex-capades, disappearing girls showing up dead, many cases unsolved ... right, i am the one being irrational and radical. come one people ... get some education with all that state and fed money.

And Cosmo one last question and I promise this is the last one. What has gotten you so interested in the murders of Va?? Is this the only state you have concentrated on or do you work on solving other cases as well?? I do wish you the best of luck in your research.

what is the latest on sean horn?

Pink Panther ... stop complaining and get with the program.
i agree with your statement that "this is just too crazy for you to make any sense out of it." but i didn't create the situation. i am just making you and your "ignorance is bliss" crowd aware of what is going on in your surroundings. recognize.

omg Enlightened, what are you like 90 yrs old? Jimmy Hoffa? i am focusing on real life, true problems that need to be addressed and you mock like you are the leader of some important group that determines what is socially relevant and what is not. get a grip man. are you proud that your universities and law enforcement are reactive with no results and really don't prevent bad things from occurring in your area? that is the real crime. step up and be a man and take action. find out why so many girls are murdered in your brilliant little town.

@Enlightened - don't feed cosmo anymore, you comment went over his head and bounced around behind him. Jimmy Hoffa, Jersey Devil....that's funny!

zip it.

i bet it would get awesome ratings for sure.
good call.

Hey Cosmo, you'll become relevant, maybe, when you become a citizen here. So easy to point fingers and taunt and bully isn't it when you are so very far away and have so little going on in your country and life that you resort to these less than attractive behaviors.

@Betty's post a few days ago is atrocious. Betty, evolve. Please go seek some form of spiritual enlightenment and growth for yourself as you are a stone throwing, callous, and cruel person. Janis, your response to her was right on.

i am very relevant

in yo face

oh sorry Alice, it must be with the dash cam video from the Eppard shooting.
i think if you look at the caption where it says "A 19-year veteran, Hopwood monitors Anchorage Farm January 26, the day Morgan Harrington's body was found."
i am not trying to annoy you Alice, but it does seem that when you all have to use your brains and actually try to see how murdered dead girls without any LEO progress would really anger people it does become "an annoyance".

How many police monitored Anchorage Farm on the 26th, cosmo????? If you had seen it on TV, you would know they were swarming all over it. It was the day the body was found. Hopwood was DOING HIS JOB. That doesn't mean the officers who were disciplied parked there, as you tried to imply. Let's see some evidence that supports your comment, "there are documents incidents regarding sex spot near AF." Relevance, you have none yet.

of course it does ... y'all are amazing! it happens right in front of you ... everyone sees it and knows about it. it is documented and discipline has be mandated and yet, you STILL DENY IT.
how funny and yet how tragically sad. no wonder we don't argue with the south anymore.

"the likes of you in our state" ... who talks like that? what year is it? 1876? get an education ... pure BS is right.

and also, who is the "we" in the "we would not want the likes of you in our state"?
like anyone cares what you want. you won't get what you want ...
it is okay to have rapists, sex offenders, murders, etc. run rampant in your area, but you don't want me ... a person who has been consistent and accurate throughout in valid and general and authentic concern (albeit abrasive and direct)?
i think this one should speak for itself ... thank you for continuing to prove my point for me.

your own people can't solve them due to the continued obstacles ... it would be a total waste of time. why don't you solve them PP? what is standing in your way? prove that your area is not a conglomerate of violent, uneducated, ignorant, incompetent, impotent, irrelevant, illogical, incestual,. archaic individuals hellbent on protecting the women haters of the area ... i date you. would love to see the push back and rejection your receive from your own people.

your own people can't solve them due to the continued obstacles ... it would be a total waste of time. why don't you solve them PP? what is standing in your way? prove that your area is not a conglomerate of violent, uneducated, ignorant, incompetent, impotent, irrelevant, illogical, incestual,. archaic individuals hellbent on protecting the women haters of the area ... i dare you. would love to see the push back and rejection your receive from your own people.

An Observer you are correct. I should have known better.

totally Observer ... i should have known better too. thanks for the heads up. good advice.

saywha? i wouldn't be so proud of the the fact that your waiters have master's degrees, but are still waiting tables. and as far as protesting against the war in Iraq and/or Afghanistan are concerned, i don't really know what your point is there, but maybe all of those people can help prevent another girl from ending up dead in your area?

I can't believe you guys are still engaging cosmo....

Hook Reader is correct. Everyone knows where he is getting his info. Laughable.

someone please educate me as to where i am getting my info ... pretty please. teach me.

What's actually happening is that there are murders and missing people of all races, ages, sizes, etc. all over the country. There were 15,000 + murders in the US in 2009, the year Morgan Harrington was killed. There is nothing remarkable about the statistics for Virginia or for this area. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/law_enforcement_courts_priso...
Cute white girls though make for sexy news stories and when something happens to them the people who make their living concocting ridiculous conspiracy theories to make their audiences salivate capitalize on that.

It's hard to even imagine what sort of faulty thinking causes someone to post a comment claiming that murder cases here have been "swept under the rug and forgotten about" on the website of a newspaper that has exhaustively covered our most notorious local murder/disappearances of cute white girls. Not only are they discussed locally, they are discussed nationally and internationally. This very article is about the sentencing of someone convicted of second degree murder. Case solved, punishment soon to follow.

anything not to talk about other murdered people in your area. this isn't about Morgan Harrington (which obviously comes to everyone's mind and i didn't even have to bring it up). this isn't about race or socio-economics either even though many continue to try to play that card as well in order to avoid the reality. i agree that is more about the general complacency in the area and the lack of initiative on the social constituency to yield results. this is about getting results which after many years has not been accomplished and yet people continue to make excuses as to why that is okay. and it is really disturbing that because some of these girls are white, there is an uproar indicating that white people murders are okay because well they are white. there was a black woman that disappeared the same time as another girl who happened to be white and i believe she was found beheaded near railroad tracks... what is the update on THAT case gang? what kind of racist, gender bias activities are still going on in Charlottesville that the locals are fighting so hard to preserve. please enlighten me.

saywha? yeah the cases where the suspect is handed to you on a silver spoon platter are really hard. at least this looks like it did yield results and a case closed.

Hawes, why are disruptive people allowed to do this to your forums? Are page views so valuable to you that the juvenile whims of the cosmos, Michael Suttons, and John Guilianos of the world should be allowed to drown sensible dialog about issues that matter to this community?

And their comments are completely off topic. Conspiracy theories and nothing more.

Hawes - do you think you can remove the people here who try to form an alliance in an attempt to inhibit progress, stifle results and silence opinions other than there own (ahem - JennSilv / Arnit / PP)? it is a threatening form of bullying that i don't believe should be tolerated. it really hurts my feelings. thank you.

i think it is fair to say that if there was no conspiracy and/or incompetence at the hands of JPJA / UVA / VSP ... arrests would be made, the case solved and justice served.

Don't suffer fools gladly - i think you need to reread what you wrote.

Sorry Enough insults ... i didn't insult anyone ... if you feel insulted, i am sorry you feel that way.
completely open to discussions ... just not ignorance for the sake of ignorance. Happy.

now you see me, now you don't.
you can't hold me accountable if i leave.
ah yes, that makes perfect sense.
give up ... you are outnumbered.
:)