Ryan's run: Republicans rally at Crutchfield HQ

Fact check please - " The Wisconsin congressman ...cited Crutchfield as one of the small businesses that could see taxes go up to 44.8 percent in January "

All our taxes go up in January when the SS taxes go back up. Neither party is telling folks this.

I won't be buying anything from Crutchfield. Alot of the policies the last 4 years have helped small businesses but most small business owners will not admit it because they have always been republican and they want to get richer. Bottom line it's all about money and power. It always has been, it always will be.

I find it very hard to consider for voting for Mr. Ryan's plan when they want to expand government oversight over my private rights to my body ( yes I am female, college educated, and self employed). Mr Ryan's party I thought was the party of small government.
I dont hear the R;s or the D's talk about the longest war that America has been involved in (drug war-40 years), about clean air and water that is important for my kids to have. I am concerned that the policies that got us to the brink during the 8 years of GWB might return if Romney uses the same people for his cabinet.;
Its very challenging as an undecided independent voter.

Poor Ponce de Leon....still reciting the same old conservative drivel. Of course, he says, Obama cannot be credited for any success that businesses are having –– corporate profits are at all all-time high, the stock markets are healthy, unemployment is down, taxes are at historic lows –– because, well, they aren’t “confident” yet. Say what? Yo Ponce, I’ve got some ocean-front property in Nebraska you might be interested in purchasing.

Then Ponce goes on to repeat Mitt Romney’s nonsensical, repugnant, and inaccurate statement about the 47 percent. Yo Ponce, why do you think Romney is still withholding those tax returns? And why does he keep so many accounts off-shore? Does Ponce recall that it was George W. Bush who bailed out the big bankers and hedge-funders who caused the broken economy with $700 billion in unrestricted money? Does Ponce not know that corporate welfare dwarfs social welfare?

Ponce is telling the same set of lies that Romney and Ryan spew.

And Bill Crutchfield just gave many people a reason not to buy anything from him. Ever.

By the way Freelove, Ryan (doesn’t he look a lot like Eddie Munster?) attracted maybe 1500 people. Yesterday in Richmond, Obama brought out 15,000.

@ undecided voter: the mere fact that Romney is surrounding himself with oodles of the "same people" who served George W. Bush is reason enough not to vote for him...Bush did quite enough damage to the country.

Dear undecided voter..

I suppose you are OK with Obama sticjing his nose into your private parts to GIVE you FREE birth control at someone elses expense?

Everyone that wants to buy a gun , which is a RIGHT in the constitution needs to have a backgroud check yet if you want to abort a child you say the state has no right to make sure you are informed about what you are contemplating but needs to pay for it with someone elses tax dollars. How PROGRESSIVE of you.

I am for legalized abortions. It is my opinion that it is society who should call out irresponsible skanks out for getting knocked up on the hood of an el camino.

When the women who have "responsible" abortions admit and acknowledge that there are too many irresponsible abortions out there than we will have a shift to the middle. As long as people like Democracycontiue to c;aim that 99.999.999% of abortions were "unavoidable" than we will get nowhere.

You have a good point about the drug war but Obama is offering either.

The "crash" was not caused by George Bush or his cabinet it was caused by americans getting cheap easy credit and buying things and then not paying back the money they spent. George Bush (us government)never defaulted on his bills.If you want to know who gave easy credit it was the community reinvestment act that Democracy likes to deny occurred (sort of like Holocaust deniers) but the facts don't lie.

I am a yellow dog Democrat, but threatening not to buy anything from Crutchfield because he supports a different candidate is ridiculous! Crutchfield is a great local business and employs a lot of folks in this area. This is America and we should be free to support any candidate we like without fear of reprisal. If I only bought products from companies whose owners shared my political values, I would be hurting local workers.

Bill Crutchfield is welcome to support any candidate he likes. But his business just made a political statement. I'll never spend a dime again supporting the business.

I hear that Crutchfield is adding a line of trans-vaginal probes to their shelves, and thus Bill Crutchfield is a big fan of Romney/Ryan/Allen and of course our own Governor Ultrasound.

"Hurt, Reeves, and Bell strike a patriotic stance to "America the Beautiful.""

Except America the Beautiful wasn't sung. That was either during the Pledge of Allegiance or during the national anthem. But seriously... great reporting.

I love how the right wingers are so upset with folks saying 'I won't shop at Crutchfield anymore.' These are the same right wingers who a week ago were refusing to shop at Play it Again Sports because of signs a NEIGHBORING business put up.....Let's all pause to think on that for a second......

Glad you had fun, Martha. And I don't think anybody here is complaining about the event itself. Just the substance of what was said. And perhaps criticism of Bill Crutchfield's willingness to alienate his employees and customers - which, of course, he has every right to do.

The Constitution is just fine, by the way. The next time you get a chance though, you might want to ask your boy, Ryan where the Constitution gives him the right to impose his narrow morality on the rest of us.

Martha thank you for participating. I hope you live long enough to go out with a voucher and shop for health care; clearly you're still vigorous enough to get out there and bargain with the insurance companies. And for putting in the ALL CAPS for emphasis; it's so hard to know which words really matter when people fail to do that.

I too look forward to seeing the Constitution come back. Where did Cheney put it anyway?

@meanwhile wrote "So if Crutchfield is doing well, shouldn't Obama be credited for that?"

Crutchfield was doing well long before Obama came on the scene, so no, Obama can't take the credit for the company's success. Many business owners have been offended by Obama's statements that they didn't build their businesses, the government built them. Factcheck: People have been innovative and creative in developing products and services for commercial purposes since the caveman invented the wheel. They didn't need government to do it, and usually it is government that stands in the way of businesses becoming more successful. Look at the City's new plan to limit use of tents by the businesses on the Mall if you want an example. City Council had no problem allowing tents in Lee Park last spring for more than 5 days, yet a restaurant owner can't put up a shelter to extend outdoor dining.
And I am personally offended and shocked at Obama's statement that even our children know "the other guy is a bu--ll--itter". It is one thing for a politician to disagree with his opponent's viewpoints and record, but it is quite another step to start name calling with offensive language. I don't allow my children to use a word such as that, and I would expect an elected official to set a good example for all the children of this country by not resorting to namecalling and foul language. How long would I last as a healthcare professional if I called a coworker a name such as that? It is unprofessional, disrespectful, and unbefitting a president. If for no other reason, he should be fired if he can't rein in his anger any better than that.

@Mark: The high five thing...that came from Negro culture; be true to your ra..I mean party and avoid that. Republicans should come up with their own thing like maybe pointing to the nearest set of ovaries you can find and saying "Who is the white male?"

MArk,

Yes, conservatvies have more children that they get tax breaks for, while the liberals pick up the slack. Isn't it nice to know you are one of the 47% Romney was referencing? You know, those people who expect hand outs and don't have much of a federal income liability? Those liberals without kids pay more taxes than you do, and are covering you and handing you lots of welafe.

But just as only Nixon can go to China, only Republicans can be welfare recipients, from bank of America right on down to poor whites in trailer parks. Everyone else is supposed to pick up the tab.

And it's generally liberals doing it.

Maybe one day we'll all be lucky and the liberals will all disappear so that you can see how little your conservative children will have, while they work for the man in the big house on the hill, and they will be pleased to just be the housekeeper or butler. No worry about getting an elite college education then, huh?

I see white people

Mark: you are woefully ignorant about demographic trends. White 2 parent families (religious or not) are becoming much less of the electorate. Trend line is for minorities to become a much bigger part of hthe electorate. And guess who they vote for?

Don't worry, the elections will be postponed or recalled due to the aftermath of the next atmospherically-modified hurricane which, like all hurricanes, could be "knocked out" for a couple million dollars but is instead magnified and steered towards the coast. Set to hit right on time for election day the largest storm in a hundred years. Of course you can always vote early like Obama wants you to (because early voting is much easier to fix with electronic voting machines)

Hey old timer... how does the rich being all greedy republicans who pay 60% of the taxes in this country reconcile with your ridciulus statement that the liberals are subsidizing the republicans..?

The red state blue state does noit wash because it is STILL the minority of republicans in the red states that pay the bulk of the taxes. Remeber.. they are the ones who control the wealth....

Caseonia, My reference to guns had nothing to do with Obama, it had to do with civic responsibility and if they needed me to watch a video of the operation before i had a vasectomy I would watch it. There are too many abortions in this country and your point of view does nothing but make it worse. It is not unreasonable to assume that if abortions were not treated like nothing without any judgment whatsover than just perhaps some women would be a little more careful which tow truck driver they picked up outside the bowling alley.

As far as Birth control pills being paid for.... my opinion is that they should have the same copay as a cancer drug. and that if an employer has a religious objection that they, vasectomies and condoms should all be able to be excluded. There is no law that an employee HAS to have their insurance with their employer.

The birth control pill issue was simply fabricated to get Obama the feminist female vote.... You know the ones with the point of view that congress needs to stay out of thier vaginas and choices but don't forget to pay the bill for whatever choice they decide.

Bill,

"Hey old timer... how does the rich being all greedy republicans who pay 60% of the taxes in this country reconcile with your ridciulus statement that the liberals are subsidizing the republicans..?"

Because the majority of the 47% live in those red states, not the blue states. Would they be blue if they were all rgreedy rich Republicans?

Besides,I never said all the rich are greedy Republicans. A number of Democrats are very wealthy, and seem willing to step up to the plate tax wise, though they are in the minority. Tons of upper class liberals though, who do happen to be in that 20% that pays pretty much all of the taxes.

Like it or not, the red states continue to be poorer, with larger populations of of Romney's 47%, than the blue states. Hmmm, ultra religious, lots of babies, poor education, low income...Republican. Secular, few babies, education, higher income...Democrat. What, you think there is no correlation??

I love the Crutchield business! Even though I've moved over 500 miles away from CVL, I still buy from them. If someone is offended by him making his political views known and they choose to shop elsewhere, that's certainly their right. I used to avoid movies with actors who made obnoxious left wing comments, but I started running out of movies to go to.

I've noticed a lot of comments about the "47%" comment from Romney. Are you equally offended by Obama's comment from the 2008 election where he referenced those "bitter people who cling to guns and religion"? Something tells me there some overlap in those two groups. Anybody's intellect offended by Obama telling the American people and the world that the attacks in Libya were fueled by the internet video? He's either a total ignoramus or a total liar..........neither of which is good.

girlygirl said: "threatening not to buy anything from Crutchfield because he supports a different candidate is ridiculous!"

I disagree. If a person uses their money to attempt to bring about changes that I find repugnant, the only feeble leverage I have is to vote with my money and deprive him of using MY dollars for the purpose. I don't want to harm his workers, but the fact is the Republican platform that Bill Crutchfield supports will also harm his workers. I'm not going to help him do that, and neither should you.

Sooo.... you will never spend money at a business run by a republican? Bet you cannot last a week.

"Please don't continue this silly postulate that rich liberals pay tons in taxes while rich Republicans do not. "

I don't think was what was said Liberalace. What was said is that rich Democrats don't mind writing laws that will cost them more in taxes. Vancouver cheaper than the US due to Unions? Mmmm...more like cheaper because health insurance is cheaper. But is isn't exactly cheap i Vancouver, so I don't know what you are talking about. A lot of films shoot in Virginia still pay Unions rates even though they don't have to, and including to non-union employees.

"Hook Reader Since 2002"@get your facts straight.Bill Crutchfield does not live in Farmington.He lives on Northfields Drive.Common knowledge.

As to those defending the "you did not do it by yourself," re roads and post office etc I would have to suggest that they look no further than FLuvanna as to just how much development and progress can be made by a government without business taxes. Really, you think the government built the roads" They contracted out the roads and had it built with tax money, a very different thing. As to the post office, well...look no further for proof of how government management can bankrupt a monopoly.

The fact remains that you will find very few successful businesses that are not owned by a right leaning individual.

@ dolomite. Interesting. I never thought about the Boss. But I'm fine with that too. I own a successful business but value civil rights far more than money, thus I am a Democrat. I can tell you that I have been called unbelievable names, have had my business threatened, and have actually been spit on for standing up for my beliefs, but I still do it because ultimately our freedom of expression is worth everything. I bet Bill feels the same way But I still hate to see it happening. You did make some salient points and I enjoyed our discussion. Far too little of that these days.

As a small business owner employing 10 people in charlottesville I can only speak for myself. The main reason for not hiring new personal is the simple fact that individuals and business spend less today than they did 6 years ago. It really does not matter much to me who is in the white house anymore it's really the rest of the fat cat politicians that are sucking the life out of all of us. Not all but most are self serving pigs who have eaten from the tax payer troff for years. Our only chance to to right side our Great country will be term limits, no lobbyist, and no special interest monies, and no pension for life for any goverment employee save like the rest of us have to. Wait and see no matter who is elected the majority of us will pay more in taxes and I don't just mean income tax our states and localities will want more and probably sooner than later.

Well skipd, PT Barnum said no one ever went broke ever underestimating the American public, and Romney has apparently learned that lesson. He has banked off of sending jobs to China, but apparently plenty of white working class men are more worried about controlling a woman's body than the security of their job. So they will vote for Romney while he laughs to the banks.

However, Obama will win, even if it will be a split decision. They will come to understand the taste of 2000, and how a culturally freaky and biased culture predominantly in the South will finally be isolated as they should be. I say that as a hard core Southerner too. It's time to move into the 21st century.

Pregnancy is not a malady, menstration is not a malady, birth control is not a health care service and neither is abortion. Period.

Somebody, thank you for showing that you are one of the ignorant angry white males knuckle draggers threatened by women. Menstruation might not be a malady, but the flux of hormones due to menstruation can and does cause all kinds of maladies. Some with terrible consequences. Yes, cancer, gastroparesis, osteoperosis, and a slew of other conditions/diseases are very real maladies and very real healthcare costs. Many of them high dollar ones. Birth control, a product that regulates female hormones, can and does have a positive impact on either regulating, or even minimizing the possibility these conditions occur.

Of course they don't matter to you, and it's not lost that a bunch of men never whispered about Viagra because men must have their morning wick or something is wrong with them. That, naturally, is a health condition that must be paid for.

As someone who is not a "bleeding heart liberal", but somewhat of a "social democrat" in the European model, I find the self made man meme rather offensive and also the "Cracker Christian" coupling of ascribing one's success as a self made man to being "blessed" by God.
There are a number of local businessmen so beloved by God that they don't need and will never receive my business....

Re viagra..... I doubt seriously if men would whine if viagra was not covered.... odds are overwhelming that it is just seen as a nesssasry expense.... kind of like the lobster and the listening....

PDL,

" I doubt seriously if men would whine if viagra was not covered.... odds are overwhelming that it is just seen as a nesssasry expense.... "

Oh, if that were so it wouldn;t be pushed as hard as it is. But all you have really demonstrated is why women continue to be up and arms about the inherent sexism in so many condition related to healthcare. It is especially egrgious seeing as theya re the ones who make the continuation of our species possible.

How not surprising that to a bunch of male lawmakers and heads of religious organizations, that male things might be considered necessary and female ones not.

But we always knew you were a nuckle dragger yourself. That seems to be all the GOP is made up of these days.