How do you feel about Osama Bin Laden's death?

Anybody who believes that Emmanuel Goldstein, I mean, Osama bin Laden, was responsible for anything to do with 9/11 is a sheeple who apparently believes anything that the media and authority tells them to believe. Plain and simple.

Get a clue.

btw, for the less illiterate among us, Emmanuel Goldstein was the government created "bad guy" in George Orwell's novel, "1984." The population was ordered to believe that he was the mastermind behind all the terror events that the government had actually created, and everybody had to engage in "Two minutes of hate" every day, raging at images of Goldstein. Grrrrrr! Grrrrrr! Grrrrrrr! Bad guy terrorist! Grrrrrr! Grrrrrrr! Grrrrrrrr! We hate you!!!!!! You did everything! It's all you! You're the big mastermind! Grrrrrrr! Grrrrrrr! Grrrrrrrrr!

Gee, sound familiar? Thing is, that was written back in 1948, from somebody with inside connections who knew exactly what direction the world was going in the coming decades.

When "Yes we can!" failed, they resurrected bin Laden. it's a miracle! (thanks to rense.com for that.) Think Obama will get re-elected now? ;)

It would be nice if "ken jamme" went away for good... and maybe got the help he so desperately needs!

"and maybe got the help he so desperately needs!"

This is a tired cliche that people use to appear wittily condescending..

Usama Bin Laden did have it coming, but we shouldn't get carried away with too much mutual congratulation; his death is not really a game changer and our path has taken us off in all different directions since 2001. It's unlikely that he had anything to do with the challenges we have incurred since involving ourselves in the occupations of 2 countries.
His killing is only a footnote at this point in time.

So Ken....How many innocent civilians did Hussein kill? You may exclude his own family members from the tally if you wish.

It's really kind of disappointing that some people can't express their thoughts and beliefs without being condescending and rude. It's okay for people to disagree. I assure you I'm no "sheeple," and I do believe that thing occurence is a positive thing. I realize that there is a possibility that things are not as they seem. However that is ALWAYS the case, and rambling on about conspiracy theories and such isn't going to solve anything. At some point you have to put some faith in your government that not everything is a ploy to further their greed, and that they really do have our best interests at heart. The fact that we have managed to go as long as we have without a major attack says alot to me. Just a thought - weren't there numerous videos in which Bin Laden openly admitted that he took part in 9/11? I didn't see anyone holding a gun to his head when he said that. No doubt this has little impact on the current "war on terrorism," however that is really a war that will never end. Someone is always going to hate us... because we are "arrogant and spoiled" or simply for our freedom. However, that is exactly why it is so important to celebrate every little win. The second you start believing that evil never dies is the second evil wins. Just my thoughts.

How do you feel about Osama Bin Laden's death is not the question!

How do you feel about the United States government assassinating the alleged perpetrator of a crime before an interrogation to gather the wealth of information the man must have had and before applying the necessary legalities that are/should be the cornerstone of a free and open society?

Whatever justification(s) were used this time – flimsy or sound, irrational/bloodthirsty or intellectual, make believe or evidentiary based – the decision will just get easier next time.

But by all means bury the body within 24-hours because we respect the man's religion.

Col., We could instead, as we should have years ago, make our support for Israel conditional upon their own good behavior especially their treatment of the Palestinians that they displaced.

If the Israelis hadn't put themselves somewhere they didn't belong in the first place, they would not be fighting for their "freedom" everyday. The Palestinians themselves might then be enjoying their own freedom rather than living in prison camps for several decades. The Palestinians, by the same logic that allows the so-called Israelis to defend themselves also have that same right.

It doesn't much matter whether you as an American support Hamas. They have been elected by the people who have the vote there. If American support for Israel didn't make electing a militant group appealing to the electorate there, Hamas would probably not be in power, so you do have some influence. If you think Hamas should not be in power, speak out about failed US policies that keep them there.

We should be sickened at the narcisstic frauds who are parading as our patriotic elected leadership, Obama, the Clintons, and especially both Bushes. Osama bin Laden, as claimed by Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, before she was assassinated, has been long dead. UK Foreign Minister Robin Cook said the same, weeks before his sudden demise from a heart attack. There are many credible sources of this claim. One follows.

Steve Pieczenik, collaborator of Tom Clancy and former Deputy Secretary of State & Senior Policy Planner for Sec'y's of State: Kissinger, Vance, Shultz, & Baker, a Harvard Psychiatrist with an MIT PhD in International Relations would beg to differ with the unverified account of Osama bin Laden's demise.

His is a contrary interpretation of the last 10 years that claims Osama bin Laden has been dead since 2002.
The link below introduces his recent pronouncements on 911 & Osama/Obama:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/dr-steve-r-pieczenik-says-america-needs-a-se...
{in the linked radio interview, he clearly states that Osama bin Laden
has been long dead, and the recent faked assassination of a pseudo bin
Laden is another ominous sequel, among many, to the 911 fraud used to turn the USA on its head}

http://www.stevepieczenik.com/bio.htm

So the past suffering of the Palestinians is used as justification of their current persecution? I support Israel's right to exist and defend herself. I ALSO support the Palestinians' right to exist in freedom.

Every multi-cultural sovereign nation deals with ethnic minorities. If you think that Turkey should be judged with regard to how it treats its Kurdish minority but believe that the Palestinians should be treated as a mortal threat to the existence of the State of Israel, then I would point out that you are not only a hypocrite but also supporting policies that will only lead to further insecurity for Israel.

Certainly the Palestinians could have played the crappy hand they were dealt better. Certainly the Arab states could have done more to make the situation better. Certainly the United States undermines its status as an honest broker by blindly supporting one side and one side only.

But Israel is responsible for Israel's actions and does bear responsibility for the situation. Yes, Israel can continue to impose the military solution to the Palestinian question and, yes, the US can continue to support this policy financially and militarily. And as long as that policy continues, we will be talking about Palestinian terrorism.

Its really nothing more than a tragic situation for both sides. For many, Israel, despite the democracy and freedom of Israeli citizens, is a moral pariah. This is not due to anti-semitism, as some would like to believe, but to the fact that Israel is enforcing an immoral policy on millions of people.

Past suffering? The people that make up the "Palestinians" have always been the aggressors throughout history in every conflict they've been a part of. They have always acted violently and inhumanly and Israel is right to treat them with an iron glove. They have never missed a chance to attempt to fire at civilians, protect their military complexes with human shields, and sustain the conflict through underhanded tactics.

You are also brain damaged if you think the United States has a responsibility to support the Palestinians over an ally that we have had for a long time, has given us intelligence in an area where Israel's leadership is not entirely devoid of human rights abuses but they are absolutely justified in their dealings with their neighbors. If you weren't so much of a hypocrite, you'd probably be appalled that we are also allies with Saudi Arabia, a country that has an objectively much worse record, especially taking into account that it does it to its own people. But for some reason liberal tape recorders only ever speak out against Israel, probably because their knowledge of the region is limited to what they learn off the Paint Huff-ington Post, Daily Show, and other 5 minute sound bites that pretend to be news. Do you think it could be because Israel has been a thriving state even in the midst of countries that want it to be destroyed? There's nothing a liberal hates more than to see someone else succeed, being that they thrive on being permanent failures.

Cruncher, I believe I've posted a well-reasoned comment. I don't believe I've quoted the huffington post, Jon Stewart, etc. And certainly I want Israel to thrive. I believe I say so, in fact.

So it's difficult to respond to your comment.

You may choose to believe that those with a more nuanced view of events are therefore "brain damaged", but I do believe that this choice of yours says far more about you than it does about the person with that more nuanced view.

Indeed, as you cling your belief and choose to deride all those who do not cling to similar beliefs, you may find further frustration as time goes on and events transpire that do not easily fit into your narrow viewpoint. I'm sure that, instead of taking the wise approach and asking what could be wrong with your point of view, you'll choose to continue to employ your false dichotomy when trying to make sense of the world.

Happy Mother's Day!

Cruncher, you're kind of all over the map, literally. You've called me "brain damaged", naive and flighty, all without actually responding to what I've said. You've said my opinions are "ill-informed" and the "worst sort of tripe". Ok......

For some reason, you wish to insult me when you respond to my comment. I don't know why this is, but it is definitely true. I haven't insulted you nor any of the places I assume you get your news. Why do you need to drag in all these assumptions into your comments? Clearly you have hostility towards those that you disagree with.

I feel sorry for you.

If you believe all that you're writing, why do you even bother to respond to my comment? I mean, surely your higher level of intelligence and wisdom should exist on a more sophisticated forum than the hook's comments pages.

I hope you called your Mom today, if she's still alive.....

Here is what you said:

"But Israel is responsible for Israel's actions and does bear responsibility for the situation. Yes, Israel can continue to impose the military solution to the Palestinian question and, yes, the US can continue to support this policy financially and militarily. And as long as that policy continues, we will be talking about Palestinian terrorism."

Obviously what you're trying to get across is that Israel and by proxy the United States is feeding into the backlash of Palestinian terrorism by hardline sanctions and annexations of Palestinian terrority (usually slums). It assumes quite naively that the Palestinians are a nation of peaceful people oppressed by Israeli policies. This is wrong and has never been the case, as you would know if you knew any history about the Palestinian territory. Why don't you read about Yasser Arafat, a terrorist involved with guerilla operations through the whole West Bank for decades until he was elected to the head of the PLO? Or how about the rash of suicide bombings every time negotiations started to break down? Or even in the last several years, the constant rockets launched from Hamas fighters on the Israeli-Libyan border aimed toward civilians? Oh and let's not forget their military complexes, which they run in the same buildings they teach their children. These are not the actions of a nation that wants peace.

Also, "Every multi-cultural sovereign nation deals with ethnic minorities. If you think that Turkey should be judged with regard to how it treats its Kurdish minority but believe that the Palestinians should be treated as a mortal threat to the existence of the State of Israel, then I would point out that you are not only a hypocrite but also supporting policies that will only lead to further insecurity for Israel."

Unless the Kurds have taken to holing up with a resistance movement that suicide bombs markets, specifically tries to kill civilians, employs terrorists and hides behind human shields, you obviously don't know what you're talking about comparing the two. Fairly unsurprising I'd say.

Cruncher, reread your comments. If you can't see and acknowledge where you insert your own assumptions about my opinions and even simply put word in my mouth, then I can't help you and there's no point in discussing anything with you.

I said what I said and stand completely by my own comments. If you want to take them and then say "obviously what your trying to get across is" and then say something ELSE and then argue with that point that you yourself made, then you really don't need me to have a discussion. Just state whatever argument that you want that you disagree with and tell us why you disagree with it. But don't tell me that that's what I said.

Frankly, the fact that you won't even take my words at face value, insert your own arguments into mine own and call them mine and then INSULT ME because you disagree with the arguments that you created makes you look like a child. Why would ANYONE choose to discuss ANYTHING with you.

You can rant on and on all you want about the "liberals", but until you can form a cogent argument contrary to the actual argument presented by another, then you are nothing but a raving fool.

Also, if you honestly believe that Israel bares no responsibility for her situation, then I also feel like there's no reason to discuss this issue with you. I've read the commentary of MANY Israelis that disagree with you, but what do they know except for the reality and situation on the ground.

Good day to you sir and I do hope you got to wish your Mom a Happy Mother's Day.

No, your intentions were about as clear as possible, translated to English from Latte Liberalese which means always stating things as vague as possible (Palestinian "question") so you have a way to try to backtrack out when someone calls you out on your obvious ignorance. They quite obviously are not a nation, as I stated *first*. They're a group of terrorists simply looking to destroy, and any backing we would give them would simply be taken as an encouragement to continue to do so.

"Also, if you honestly believe that Israel bares no responsibility for her situation, then I also feel like there's no reason to discuss this issue with you. I've read the commentary of MANY Israelis that disagree with you, but what do they know except for the reality and situation on the ground."

Oh, wow, you liberals do like to read, your preferred proxy for REAL knowledge, and I should be impressed by that? If I could find you a few testimonies of Hindu converts to Christianity (they're out there by the way), would that mean they're all secretly getting tired of waiting for cows to cross the road and ready to accepting Christian doctrine? Please, grow up.

And I feel while Israel has not always made the upstanding choices, they bear little to no responsibility for not finding peace with a group of warmongers who have already sworn to destroy their nation and use cheap tactics (not unlike the liberal swine that sympathize with them) to keep that conflict going.

Don't wast your time, Old Timer. People like him can't be bothered with the facts, they already have their opinions.

Gee Chip, and Rome was host to a Pantheon of Gods and Goddesses for a couple thousand years before it became Christian. What do you think the chance is that the Pope will hand over the Vatican to us Polytheists without a fight? (Maybe he will if Nostradamus is right.)

Lets not avoid telling the truth about the unfairness on both sides of issue, if we expect to find a humane, and productive solution.

@OldTimer: You have to be kidding me, right?

"Apparently you , like so many other people from the 'right' side of the issue, choose to rewrite history when it suits. The history of the Israel is also filled with continuous conflict, and can easily be found in the old testament, as well as in historical documentation revolving around the Roman Republic/Empire."

Let me get this straight, your "proof" of the Israeli people's propensity to war is from two thousand years ago, when most of Europe didn't have historical records and when there were probably only a handful of actual civilizations as we know them today. Are you nuts or just numb above the neck?!?

Then in your next paragraph, just to cover all your propaganda talking points, you (rightfully) figure out that the modern citizens of Israel are nothing like the tribes they had during the Roman times, yet then launch into a tirade against Christians and Russia in a non-coherent tirade which somehow, like all liberal cretins do, ends in some conclusion where Christians are to blame for everything and so let's side with the muslims because Christians mistreated the jews. And you wonder why "liberal" is a bad word in the eyes of 90% of people with jobs.

Oh, right, then we get to anti-Semitic (and by the way, it's pretty hard for me to resort to calling someone this, as I do understand Israel has had a spotty record at times) remarks claiming "how the Jews act". Then a total and unrepentant ignorance of the fact that, yes while Israel has not always been our greatest ally, they are easily our best ties to the region and our other allies, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc are all much more oppressive regimes that routinely arrest and murder their *own people* on a regular basis for protest. Funny how liberal hypocrites are usually too ignorant to even know these easily available facts because they're too busy railing against Israel, a productive democracy while ignoring the monarchies all around them.

"Lots of slums in the US. When the Latino population starts annexing those slums and you start squealing about stopping the illegal immigrants, I will remind you of this conversation."

If the Latinos moved in, annexed slums, kicked out all the violent malcontents, and turned them into industrious neighborhoods I would welcome them with open arms, although I have yet to see this ever be the case. Tell me, where can I get a pair of glasses that let me see the world in such a distorted fashion? Oh, right, upper middle class white academia which lives in gated communities and tells everyone how much in common they have with violent Palestinians firing rockets. Never mind.

The Cruncher

"Let me get this straight, your "proof" of the Israeli people's propensity to war is from two thousand years ago, when most of Europe didn't have historical records and when there were probably only a handful of actual civilizations as we know them today. Are you nuts or just numb above the neck?!?"

Nope. You were the one trying to say that the Palestinians had a LONG history of war mongering, and I was just pointing out your desire to ignore the other side of the coin. Hypocrites abound on your side of the issue.

I use the terrorist activities of Begum and the colonization of Palestinian territory of the Israeli Right so it can pick fights as an example of modern day war mongering.

"yet then launch into a tirade against Christians and Russia in a non-coherent tirade which somehow,"

Nope. No tirade here. Just pointing out some very inconvenient facts to your tirade. Today's Israelis are really not Semites. They are Europeans, and Russians, which are a combination of Slav and Europeans. Or Caucasians if you would rather. You can sprinle in some Eurasian if it makes you feel better.

And they suffered very heavily at the hands of Christians in modern history. So a bunch of Christians then decided that Muslims should be made to pay the price for what the Christians did, and gave them a bunch of Muslim territory, instead of giving up some of their own Christian land. That decision had consequences. We need to own up to the truth of those consequences, so Israel can have peace.

"Funny how liberal hypocrites are usually too ignorant to even know these easily available facts because they're too busy railing against Israel, a productive democracy while ignoring the monarchies all around them."

That's a pretty silly statement considering how liberal and socially oriented most Jewish Americans are. Liberals don't rail against Israel while ignoring the monarchies. Liberals scream all the time about not importing gobs of oil from countries that use it to blow us up. So do libertarians. Its the conservatives who actively work with the monarchies, and have destroyed functional fledgling democracies in the ME in favor of the monarchies. Iran is one classic example. That chicken came to roost, didn't it?

"Oh, right, upper middle class white academia which lives in gated communities and tells everyone how much in common they have with violent Palestinians firing rockets."

As versus an angry white male like yourself, who also has absolutely no experience of it either, and even less knowledge of the world.

Yeah. Gotcha. LOL.

"Nope. You were the one trying to say that the Palestinians had a LONG history of war mongering, and I was just pointing out your desire to ignore the other side of the coin. Hypocrites abound on your side of the issue.

I use the terrorist activities of Begum and the colonization of Palestinian territory of the Israeli Right so it can pick fights as an example of modern day war mongering. "

I'm not familiar with the terrorist activities of Begum, although coming from your other talking points I imagine it's some other unrelated propaganda talking point. Their colonization of Palestine is not objectionable to me at all, as would any annexation of land be from a group that has declared war on you and wants to destroy you. The fact you can't bring up any "proof" closer than 2000 years ago seems to back that.

"And they suffered very heavily at the hands of Christians in modern history. So a bunch of Christians then decided that Muslims should be made to pay the price for what the Christians did, and gave them a bunch of Muslim territory, instead of giving up some of their own Christian land. That decision had consequences. We need to own up to the truth of those consequences, so Israel can have peace."

Again, are you kidding me? That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. What part of "There *is no nation of Palestine* and there *was not in the 1940's*" is so hard for brain damaged liberals to understand? The Israelis were settled there because there was no developed nation on that territory. Further displaced Muslims were also brought there even later than the Israelis, it just happened that they were also violent savages that integrated into the Muslim part of the area rather than staying separate. You really have no idea what makes up a nation, as I guess was obvious but I still can't believe someone is that dense.

"That's a pretty silly statement considering how liberal and socially oriented most Jewish Americans are. Liberals don't rail against Israel while ignoring the monarchies. Liberals scream all the time about not importing gobs of oil from countries that use it to blow us up. So do libertarians. Its the conservatives who actively work with the monarchies, and have destroyed functional fledgling democracies in the ME in favor of the monarchies. Iran is one classic example. That chicken came to roost, didn't it? "

Yeah liberals say that because they're ignorant to how their society would work if we didn't have all that oil at our disposal, they're also the ones that don't want to drill on a patch of tundra out in Alaska to help support our needs inclusively because it might displace a handful of deer to move a couple miles. Yet oddly enough I can't remember ever seeing a liberal who protested it by ever giving up the fruits of industry like not owning a cell phone, not showering (well maybe some that don't shower), that don't order $4 lattes at Starbucks and that eschew the use of higher technology, all made possible by cheap fossil fuels. That's simply ignorance stacked on top of ignorance, a dynamic you are making all too clear.

Also do you even know the power structure of Iran? It's not a monarchy, it's a loose democracy held in place by a ruling body of clerics who make all the decisions on international levels, while a democratically elected "president" (not quite as we know it) make the decisions for a nationalist government where state industries run most of the things that make it tick day to day. The Iranians are actually much farther advanced than the Saudis, the Iraqis, or really most anyone else in the region outside of....you guessed it, Israel. You really are an ignorant, ignorant person and I hope you don't vote due to all your wild misconceptions about nearly everything.

It seems that Old Timer is actually confusing Begum with Irgun, an early to mid 20th century Zionist paramilitary group that is considered by most to be a terrorist organization. They were the predecessors of today's Likud party. Pretty nasty folks.