Waste War II? Van der Linde Recycling boldly attacked

We love taking our trash there, which we do ourselves, since trash trucks won't come down our road. I'm sure this was related to the other companies that have lost money since Van der Linde came into business. It's a shame, because single stream recycling provides a great service to our community. I hope he can get back up and running soon.

If you can't beat them, destoy them? Chicken shits. I hope whoever did this is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and then some. Mr. Van der Linde, I hope you can get through this and thanks for all you do.

re:"I'm not that big of a fan of recycling"

Ok. So, if you weren't a big fan of chocolate you'd note that before saying you thought such a crime, if perpetrated against a chocolate shop, was wrong?

I don't see what there ISN'T to be a fan of, frankly. With Van Der Linde, you throw your recyclables away and his single stream system filters them into proper receptacles to be recycled. Zero effort by the consumer, maximum payoff for the environment. I guess "Tim" would prefer that glass, plastic and paper be stored within the Earth instead of reused?

I'm sorry, but you'd have to be really, really dumb to not be a fan of recycling. That or really, really lazy.

For whatever reason, trash pickup is a business that seems to attract such hardcore tactics.... Not a coincidence that waste management was Tony Soprano's stated profession.

People simply refuse to believe that Charlottesville and the surrounding counties are no longer the sleepy little peaceful communities they once were. Organized gangs are already here. Organized crime has moved in. JADE is one large joke in squashing the organized drug trade that's already set up shoppe here. It's not just something you see on TV shows like The Sapranos any longer. It's here. I wouldn't be surprised to see an organized hit put out on Van der Linde. The body will most likely never be found, and the murder will never be solved.

This has gotten out of hand! Ever since he opened the facility, people have been flocking to bring their trash there! He capitalized on an amazing idea, because WM/allied/BFI, etc didn't offer the advantage of not having to sort their trash. My trash goes to the Van Der Linde facility, and I can't tell you how convenient and easier it is than the previous situation of taking an entire pickup truck full every other week or more often to the recycling center.

It is certainly not hard to imagine that corporate greed could be behind this attack. Also, it's a shame that human garbage can't be recycled along with the trash....

Funny how, in a few short years, all the big corporate trash companies will stop putting our trash in landfills and build MRF's just like van der Linde's. Hope somebody crossed a state line to commit the crime and the FBI can give this case a little of their extra special love.

I hope there is a huge cash award offered for information about whoever did this. The community needs to get behind Mr. Van der Linde and help solve this reprehensible act.

Biff, get over yourself.

One of my boldest speculations for the last decade is that a line of duty death in local law enforcement is long overdue. They're on borrowed time already in my opinion. Does saying this make it highly offensive and reprehensible? Or would it perhaps cause the local cop shoppes to be even more careful out there?

Frank, Biff is a very confused individual if he thinks what I said is highly offensive and reprehensible.

But anyhow, along the lines of free speech, I cautioned a cop about something he had posted on his Facebook page the other day. I then had to listen to his spill about his serving the country in military service, his knowing and understanding the Constitution, and his right to freedom of speech on his Facebook page. More power to him if he thinks he can post anything he wants to on his Facebook page.

In other words, free speech isn't all it's cracked up to be. A cop in Washington state was recently fired for posting he has to work with a lot of immature cops on his Facebook page. The police chief claimed his comments undermined the integrity of the department. And the cop lost his appeal at getting his job back. This of course if just one example of freedom of speech gone wrong. All of this reminds me of Biff, freedom of speech is great when it applies to him, but not to others. :)

Don't go and get all technical on us. :)

She was a little girl compared to the size of the rapist!!!

I think all the trash the entire country of America generates should be hauled to one spot and we could build a giant ski mountain, say somewhere in the midwest where they don't have any mountains. That would be cool.

Birthday parties? No. I'm not sure there's a big demand for birthdy parties yet. I'll look into it. Thanks for the suggestion. It would have to be more entertaining than standing in Barnes & Noble making sure nobody steals a book. Probably less chance of having a girl abducted and killed right under the noses of several hundred security officers too.

But I and several other people were hired to do security at a funeral recently. It was more of a bodyguard and escort nature though. Got to meet several famous celebrities too. Who would ever have thought they had relatvies living in a place like Charlottesville?

Biff -- I have had a few deleted also but always thought it was due to Frank speech .

I said, no more shines. Maybe you didn't hear about it, you've been away a long time. They didn't go up there and tell you. I don't shine shoes anymore.

A story about high grade vandalism sure took on a life of its own. Mr. Van Der Linde took a timely and innovative business concept, ran with it and made it a big success. Obviously, given the litigation&extortion attempts it generated, his success has been at others' expense in some cases and that he's the object of hostility in his industry seems beyond dispute.
If he ended up dead, it wouldn't be the first time in this area that business rivalries ended in murder. GBSOE's speculations are well founded. There is no sin in his saying so and I "get" that some people think it's a jinx to mention it in public. But you can trust that anyone having dark designs on Mr. Van Der Linde isn't going to rely on the spark of suggestion from this forum to formulate those designs into a plan of action.

you too Angel eyes SCARY

Hopefully the county commonwealths attorney is prepared to bring 26 counts of destruction of property when a culprit is caught and not just a single one? And if speculation proves true and more than one person/entity was involved, Mr. Van derLinde should look into a civil suit under 18.2-499 (if I remember correctly) the Virginia Civil Conspiracy Statute. Conspiring to injure another in business, trade or reputation allows for a tripling of damages suffered.

I think I can shed a little bit of light on this question.

What you see and read in the media outlets is often controlled by the official law enforcement press releases. For example, and without going into a lot of specific details, an official law enforcement press release about an arrest was sent to all the media outlets 3 hours before warrants were written by the magistrate. After having realized they had made one big terrible mistake, the cop shoppe lied to the magistrate in order to still obtain the warrants. Can you imagine the repercussions if they had not been able to obtain arrest warrants after issuing a press release 3 hours prematurely to the media outlets? The magistrate later said he never would have issued the warrantas if the cop shoppe had not LIED to him under oath.

As far as Van der Linde, the cop shoppes have little interest in issuing an official press release about criminals vandaling three dozen trucks. Why do they have very little interest in making such a press release? Because the first question the public would ask is where all the cops were while vandals spent hours destroying over three dozen trucks! It's not the type of press release where they can pat themselves on the back and claim to be doing such a terrific job like in the example in my first paragraph.

A lot of what you see in the media outlets is also a result of insider information being passed on to the media outlets. For example, the recent sexcapades in the county police force, it was most likely leaked to the media by one of their own employees. This is also the type of press release you will never see being released voluntarily by the cop shoppes.

I think Vanderlinde should also try and use the Rico statute, the way it was used against him, and see how they like them apples. Its clear this is not something the average public is interested in doing, and I am not bvuying some big mafia thing. I think these are a group of local players.

Mafia activities aren't necessarily big. It controls the
bakeries in parts of Italy for example.

Other papers may have their nose too high in the air to be able to stoop down and cover a subject as this . In the recycling,junk,garbage business it is easy to do well if one gets over that hurtle of reaching down to pick up stuff .One man's garbage is another man's gold or to turn another phrase "everyone wants to make money in garbage but no one wants to get their hands dirty ".

All part of the territory and then some with the characters in the demolition ,recycling,garbage ad inf. The players often started with nothing but end up in the opposite end of the economic spectrum with amazing real power . There is an ongoing shady side of bribery,strong arming,heavy bill collecting , you name it maybe even the M word. It all generates from the core business but seems to always to be interwoven and goes without saying that is part of the price for the service. Large players generally have a paid off insider within government,and industry to get the inside track on commodity . It amounts to large theft rings . Delivering bribe goodies at Christmas in parking lots at night around the country gets to be a chore Arrg....

Betting this was a yet to be named disgruntled former employee, and not Mr. Kendrick.

Why....

Allied Waste....no. Too much to lose. If they were successful they would regain Charlottesville territory, but if caught they would lose huge national credibility. Major companies like Wal Mart, etc would not want to do business with them. Big company squashed small town business man...not cool.

Waste Management....no. They are van der Linde customers. Ditto other small garbage and dumpster guys.

This was either personal or someone trying to 'muscle in' from Jersey, etc.

Van der Linde's single stream recycling facility is called a dirty mrf. Dirty MRF's accept recyclables along with wet food waste and other non-recyclable material. Van der Linde has made false claims about the recovery rate at his dirty mrf. In reality, dirty mrf's are not very effective in recovering recyclables from household trash. Moreover, Van der Linde tries to pass this process off to the public as state of the art, when it has been around for decades. Van der Linde claims he recycles your household waste when he really loads it on transfer trailers and sends it to Shoosmith Landfill.

No names no pack drill but there is the one about the Hazmat operator . He was being paid big bucks to receive and process or find a safe end use for the Hazmat but he was using the cheap method . Dumping it into the ocean .

Antoinette W. Roades....You seem to be totally misreading my comments and or perhaps you are simply otherwise in a general confused state of mind or on some mind altering substance or just having a bad day ?.I have made absolutely zero accusations against Mr Linde . Your comments are totally off the mark and off the wall . Mr Linde seems to be an independant operator and operating above board . I have no idea how you came up with your screwed up comments but i suspect you can write books and books to try to justify them if not by fact but perhaps may try the volume route . On the other hand I happen to be well aware of my responsibilities as a citizen and have performed them many many times in service within various venues ,thank you very much. I, therefore,don't require to be lectured by your good self in that respect but thank's again anyway !!!!! I suspect by bravely declaring your name you feel you have licence to trash and tar me incorrectly and still retain your self declared higher moral ground, or is it the holier than thou space ?. What makes you think i have not also declared my correct name ? I used to enjoy reading your stuff and felt you were a fair person , however, you now give me great pause !!

I just want to say that the comments in the Hook are way more interesting than the articles that generate them. What a bunch of nuts. Too bad words are not energy. A little bit of kindling here creates a lot of hot air.

Roades ----I am only pushing back at your false accusations .Having your name and picture in public perhaps goes with the territory of a professional writer but you do yourself no favours by the clap trap of your erronous imaginative additions to my comments . The situation i was referring to regarding Hazmat was about another person, who owns another company,in another country than Mr Lind . He is a family associate and an amusing ,amazing rags to riches story, however, was dealt with by the applicable levels of the law in his jurisdiction in that instance. I don't recall the details final disposition of that case . How you or anyone else could construe my general comments about the industry or an unnamed case and what everyone knows goes on in the industry as specific accusations against Mr Lind is mind boggling .Heck the story here is about Lind being on the receiving end of such practices . It appears you are going to stubbornly maintain your twisted perceptions and false allegations that i have smeared Mr Lind . Therefore an apology from you for false accusations probably wouldn't be as forthcoming as one demanded by yourself based your unfounded statements .

Perhaps your speech is frank and maybe in some cases to the point. Your reading and writing skills are somewhat lacking though.

If you meant to convey anything other than accusations against Mr. Van Der Linde you did not do that in your earlier posts. If you meant no harm to Mr. Van der Linde, a simple clarification was all that was needed once the question of your intent was raised. To attribute a straightforward reading of what you wrote to "fuzzy thinking" is ludicrous.

"... baroque blustering..." Love that-- Toni Roades for the win.

Frank Speaker, your syntax is so garbled, there's no way that anyone can reasonably make sense of it. I too assumed that your dramatic non sequitur comment was directed against Mr Van der Linde (for that is indeed his correct name). After all, he is the topic du jour, and we, the great unwashed public, don't know nothin' about your family's associates, either foreign or domestic.

I was referring to a case involving one of the world's largest ROV owners and operators in another country while y'all are talking about dumping Hazmat into the Charlottsville Ocean .

Nothing surprises me from you quasi-intellectuals . So how did you envision him doing this dumping ? Loading up boats and heading out to sea or just tossing the barrels of Hazmat off the end of one of the Charlottesville Piers ?

Since you don't seem to get out much Frank, I've got another couple of surprises for you.

One of the roads at Zion Crossroads is an older East/West route known as US Route 250. It connects to many other roads that reach as far as the great ocean mentioned above. The other road at Zion Crossroads goes a short distance and then connects with a more modern East/West route known as Interstate 64. That road leads directly towards the great ocean.

As far as how exactly someone dumps hazardous waste into an ocean once one arrives at it; you are the only one here claiming knowledge of those matters.

Cookie Jar ---I doubt land locked areas would try your suggested method ,too risky .Folks around seashore keep a close watch on the slightest movements lots of surveilance especially of outsiders . Also very risky transporting the stuff over any distance wouldn't you think . Lots could go wrong ,hard to explain a road accident where a bunch of PCB's end up spilled all over the roadway .This occours say normally when transporting old transformers . They are messy to handle and full of toxic material but they got to be collected ,dismantled and recycled .In landlocked areas illegal dumpers would try to burn or bury material i expect .Less movement decreases chances of discovery . Find an old abandoned mine shaft,dig a hole in a remote area or devise a method of burning the evidence so to speak .The Communinst countries made a right mess of their toxic waste handling .