Why she filed: Morgan Harrington's mom explains suit

If (and I don't know ) the UVa made the policy of non re-entry and the security company was just carrying it out, the security Co. will say we don't make the rules we enforce them, and say the "empty chair" (UVa) is who you should have sued. But you might be able to take some depositions before the case gets dismissed. If the security Co. told the UVa we have to have to have a total non re-entry policy to control ticket sales etc. and (UVA) you have to do it our way then that would be different, but would UVA be dictated to and not set the rules?

I feel awful for the Harringtons. I really do. The Harrington's are putting blame on the security company because they didn't monitor their daughter? Why do they not put blame on Morgan's friends - the people who brought her there, were supposed to bring her bank home again. Where is the blame for them? Once they knew she was outside and couldn't get back in they should have gone out to be with her. She told them - I'll find my own way home. This when they were using her car.

Sorry, folks. I blame the friends, the murderer and Morgan, herself. You don't just go walking off in a strange city....

It appears that they are doing anything they can to keep the attention on the case, and the lawsuit is the next step. I cannot imagine it has any merit--the company was executing an industry standard policy designed to keep participants safe. Notice you have not seen a wave to abolish policies like this--they made sense then and they make sense now.

The unintended effect may be to put her friends and Morgan's own behavior on trial. If the company is to show they are not at fault, a part of their strategy might be to show who is at fault, at least legally. Sadly, the legal fault may reside only with the murderer, and any negligence would likely be on the part of her friends or on the victim herself--I am not sure what good putting that on public display does, but the parents surely know that Morgan's behavior and that of her friends will be called into question once this hits the legal realm and they must have decided it is worth it.

The Harrington's may be unwilling to question the actions of Morgan or her friends in that light, but you can be assured that the defense attorneys for RMC will not--their 'only' trial may end up being a trial about her daughter's culpability and not, as it rightly should, on the actions of the only truly guilty party--the murderer.

This is a multiple million dollar facility; and supposedly there is no video tape of Morgan from that night. I find this hard to believe especially if she walked out the front door; and was advised by the security team that she was not allowed to re-enter.

If the video cameras were turned off or not working propertly that night -- then the Harrington's deserve to know. If bringing a law suit gets the answers they need; then God Bless the Harrington in their quest to find Justice for their daughter Morgan.

I hope that if something ever happens to me; I have people willing to fight for Justice the way the Harrington's have.

The most likely scenario is that Morgan was intoxicated, that her friends knew that, and that they let her roam around outside rather than leaving the concert or scraping together enough money to buy her way back in. The facility has a long standing, very common policy of no re-entry. It's on the sign in the picture.

If Morgan was intoxicated and left the venue to possible get more intoxicated, it's quite possible that she could have done something to harm someone else's child if she had been allowed back in. A tragic series of mistakes led to Morgan's death. The very sensible JPJ policy of denying re-entry was not among them.

To Cathleen: "I always believed that [Morgan's friends] should've erred on the side of caution by calling in assistance for [their friend] not acting quite normal at the door, even if [they] thought she was just another drunk [friend]. What kind of a [friendship] would require [friends] to allow [their friend] to wander away into the dark in a distressed condition? Stupid."

And Gil says, "It's always been about a murderer." Emend that: "It's always been about a murderer....and about RMC, it's about them too."

@ jrp

I myself have wondered why the Harringtons have been quick to dismiss anything having to do with the friends, when it was quite obvious the friends could have prevented what happened by sticking with Morgan and/or coming out to join her once she got locked out, instead of leaving her to fend for herself on foot without transportation on a chilly evening in a strange town far from home. The only thing I can think of is that the Harringtons run the risk of a lawsuit by the friends' families if they start to hint at the friends' negligant role in things. "Defamation of character," libel, slander, etc. that sort of thing. They would either have to go all the way and sue the friends, or, keep completely quiet on the matter. I guess there can be no in between.

These are awful cruel comments. I certainly applaud the Harringtons for having filed the suit. Perhaps now they will be able to get answers to what exactly happened that night. I don't care what Morgan Harrington did or didn't do. She was someone's daughter, sister, friend. She and everyone else in that building should have been in a safe/secure environement - alcohol or no alcohol. Why spend millions on this facility and not have the proper security and security cameras. Bless the Harringtons and their quest for justice.

why was my comment deleted? there was no cursing or foul language ... what is going on? my comments were very much accurate and in line ... a shame that intelligent thought and good behavior continues to be punished by the uneducated. oh well ... ignorance is bliss. you people need to print what people say and no censor that which you don't agree with ... there was absolutely no reason to censor my comments. names were not mentioned, profanity was not used. the saga continues and Virginia is losing miserably. RIP Morgan.

I don't think this lawsuit is about placing blame OR getting the money...It's a stab in the dark to try to get information that the Harringtons should have been made privy to much earlier. If a girl is bleeding from the face, I don't care how angry or loud she is, you escalate to the UVAPD or call a medical professional to asess the situation. You don't throw an injured,inebriated patron of your venue (or the venue you're subcontracted to secure) out in the cold, rainy night to fend for herself.

Where's the rest of this answer? Kind of leaves me wanting to hear the parts that are in addition to casting about for someone to blame.

The Hook: Do you really blame the security firm?
Gil: It's more than just casting about for somebody to blame.

That answer to the last question sounded off to me too, Truthiness. To be honest, this interview doesn't really sound much like Gil. She's usually very well-spoken and can obviously express herself in writing. I wonder how much the lawyers contributed to the answers.

it is truly uncanny how the "sketch" looks like someone known ...

cosmo, if you think it's the short little H&H dude who doesn't really fit the description, turn him in for the $150K. (well, get in line -- i imagine hundreds of the worthless tips poor VSP has had to sift through were tips like that spawned by the big dummy with a blog)

What do they hope to find? If there were videos the police would have seen them. If there were witnesses to her outside they would have been interviewed.

What facts are being witheld?

I'll guess the attorneys will take it on contingency, costing the Harringtons nothing except a portion of the tasty damages should they win. I'd think 50% is a good ballpark estimate. Could be higher....could be lower, as there will be good press coverage too for free advertising. It will be a win/win. Except for RMC. They're kind of hosed.

It is a surprise she gives any interviews as it relates to the suite.

Most Attorneys handle the verbiage, but she is unique.

I wish her the very best! She deserves all the information she can get,

I agree shempdaddy, exactly. Best of luck to them, though, I know they are fine people.

what intelligent and unintelligent alike need to realize is whether you are for or against litigation is irrelevant. what will happen through litigation is that full transparency will be acquired. so the politics will go right out the window. if anyone is hiding anything, they will be exposed. you can use whatever rhetoric you like, but it won't change a thing. legal action determines outcomes in this country. it is a blessing and a curse, but solid results always follow whether you like them or not.

That's true, cosmo, but it will go both ways. Full transparency from everyone will be a good thing, and it might give law enforcement just what they need to find out what happened to Morgan that night.

@Ya think As far as I know, it has never been disclosed how she got outside the arena. She did try to get back in, so in my opinion not re-admitting her is a kin to throwing her out. They had policies in place for re-entry that allowed for circumstances in which the victim was injured, etc. They chose to turn a blind eye to a girl in turmoil.

Why is litigation needed to find out what happened? Are we accusing RMC of stonewalling or lying to the cops? Cuz Rader seems pretty comfortable with the idea that what happened inside the arena is irrelevant, and I'm assuming that he feels that way because he knows enough about what happened in there. So it must not be a drive to get info or transparency. It's about someone taking the blame for this, paying for it.

Good points truthiness.

It is hard to keep attention on a story in the current news cycle--people are diverted to other causes and cases grow cold. A lawsuit is one way to keep the focus on the case. Litigation brings transparency, as another poster said. That transparency will allow the actions that everyone took that night to become clear. It is true that we may learn things form RMC or law enforcement we did not know. We will also learn alot more about her friends actions that night(they will likely be served subpeonas) and we will learn more about Morgan's actions(how much she may have had to drink, consume, her state of mind, etc..) To this point many of these issues have not been addressed due to privacy concerns or sensitivity to her friends or to the victim. In litigation, these concerns will be irrelevant--alot of information will come out--my guess is that most of the NEW information will come from sources that have not faced scrutiny so far--Morgan and her friends.

Go away Harringtons! We are sick of you blaming everyone but the murderer and your daughter's bad choices for this tragedy. I don't want to go to an event at JPJ where they let people leave and come back at will. I am sure most people agree. I never been anywhere here or abroad that allows people to leave and come back, besides outdoor sporting events.

cosmo--all the out-of-town internet conspiracy theorists are just itching for Rader's retirement to be because of Morgan, just as they've tried to connect any piece of local news to Morgan. You're not one of those, are you?

Truthiness October 26th, 2011 | 5:26pm

Yep, but the discovery and initial findings may not be public. Maybe even the trial will give little public info. With the location of the filing will The Hook be able to do as good as job as they have been this past couple of weeks?

The firm being sued may release some statements, but the judge may put a gag on it. We will see, just hope Gil finds what she is looking for.

Maybe someone with Virgina civil cases could help us out. I am sure The hook knows how things work and will do all they can. Maybe each case is different and it is up to the Judge.

Many of he witnesses that will be called will likely have legal advise too.

That picture of Gil at the top of this absolutely pulls at my heartstrings. She is a beautiful, strong woman, but you can tell she's been crying. I appreciate her doing this interview, because the truth of the matter is she owes us NOTHING. She didn't have to tell us a thing, but she decided to answer a few questions for those of us following the case. She's a class act. I'd like to be one fourth the person she is--that'd be one hell of a person.

JAB said "You don't throw an injured,inebriated patron of your venue (or the venue you're subcontracted to secure) out in the cold, rainy night to fend for herself." She left ON HER OWN...with signs everywhere saying "no re-entry," (not to mention having ticket stubs which state the policy and event staff which remind people as they leave) she was NOT thrown out!

How do we know for sure that she was not thrown out? I have always wondered if maybe she was thrown out and maybe was even to embarrassed to tell her friends. Putting myself in her shoes, I am not sure I would want to admit this even to close friends. It would explain why she left a concert that she was looking so forward to. This is the type answers that the Harringtons are searching for. I totally support ever decision they have made.

Kelly, don't you think the cops know the answer to that question? If so, aren't they free to share it with the Harringtons?

I don't know what the cops know. I don't know if the cops were told the truth when the employees of the security co were interviewed. The absense of video from that night screams cover up to me.

Kelly, do we even know that there's no video? Or just no video that has been useful in finding out what happened to poor Morgan? The way VSP has worded it can be taken to mean the latter.

Lying to the police is a serious matter. I don't think the police would rely on a third party's civil suit to take action, but maybe someone more knowledgeable will weigh in.

Suppose she had just been robbed of her cell phone... would JPJ be culpable?

Suppose she had gone back to her car and cought someone in the act of steaIing the radio and they punched her.. would JPJ need to pay the hospital bill?

Supppose she had not been let back in and bought a lottery ticket and one ten million bucks... would jpj be entitled to a share of the loot?

You cannot have it both ways.

If she had gone through the drive thru at wendys and wanted to back up becasue she wanted another frosty and they told her to drive around and she got hit by a bus as she pulled out would that be wendys fault?

JPJ had clear stated rules and she was an adult.

Find the murderer and kill him.

Stop blaming jpj for having reasonable policies.

Kelly, you misquoted me. I have always wondered if she had been thrown out. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't know what you are talking about. I copied and pasted your post. Get a grip!

@Kelly, to be fair, the part about not thinking she was thrown out was added by Ya Think IN RESPONSE to me.You copied his response to me without Ya Think's name anywhere. It made it look like I wrote it, which is obviously not the case. I think you obviously don't know how to communicate on a forum or a comment section of an article.

Bill, I love your comments. I suspect the Harringtons have had lawyers whispering in their ears about the windfall they're passing up by not going after the arena. Perhaps the lawyers talked about justice and protecting future Morgans, but were secretly thinking of the fat contingency fee a win would bring.

I guess they'll argue that even though Morgan had an alleged designated driver in her party (maybe it will turn out that was just something to pacify the 'rents), he wasn't professionally equipped to evaluate her state of mind -- even though presumably he was aware she had left the premises and knew she did not have her car keys. So he wasn't responsible for her safety, but RMC was because they're professionals. And I guess the lawyers will say that if even one person was ever let back into an event there, then Morgan was being treated unfairly. Or something like that. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

cosmo, what has the mere mention of legal action done that's so telling? I've seen mostly thoughtful conversation about whether or not it has any merit. If you read comments after the WDBJ (Roanoke) articles you'll see that people in the Harrington's home town are less charitable. The Harringtons are welcome here in Charlottesville, and in real life (meaning outside the comment sections) I would say they are treated with tremendous respect.

One of many of my lawyer friends who researches with me is of mixed heritage and was here when the the team came to my home to share information read the blogger's recent post as to an Asian cannot be associated just almost laughed his butt off.

His sibling is often mistaken as a pure black person. As he says it is so ridiculous that someone with Asian heritage would be precluded from familial DNA possibilities. She judges all by the color of their skin.Giving her enough rope and she is hanging herself.

How can Gil not disassociate with that blogger. Perhaps she has or is going to.

What a racist statement to print. VSP only says that a forensic link was established, does not mean that sketch was the last one with her,or that another person was with him.

Wonder what it is in her Familial DNA, not suggesting she did it, but wouldn't it be fun to see her genetic code, just saying.

Wow! SO the labs should only do familial DNA test on black men, what a suggestion!

I hear you, I guess it is only black security!

M.S. Better move fast as Boink "The Mad Dog of The Internet" and her Boinketts are openly conspiring to have LE go after anyone who disagrees with their opinions .

did anyone confirm if Lt. Rader is still on this case?
i wonder why he left?

Cosmo/Boink --- Rader was entitled to retire ,however,Boink believes he should not retire in "the middle of the case" . How would she know where the middle of the case is .She feels Rader should stay until the case is to the point of prosecution. If Rader followed her suggestion and the case never solved then he would be there on the job until he was over 100 .

Truthiness ... where is your fear coming from?
i don't think i even mentioned anything with regards to slavery? but now that you mention it, i am sure we will learn more about this angle during litigation.
the real deal is that the scope of the civil trial really will be unlimited.
see... JPJA is affiliated with and on UVA grounds, no? therefore, security, university, local, state and even Federal law enforcement will be addressed ad nauseam.
wasn't jurisdiction an issue at some point? FBI interest? unless the judge in the case is bribed which could definitely occur in this day and age. positive results for the Harrington family and the law abiding citizens of Virginia will be achieved.

Cosmo, Rader retired because he could at at age 50 like all state employees can. It has absolutely nothing to do with this case or any other case. Not sure where you guys are coming up with this stuff?? It is really no one's business when someone decides to try a new career.

cosmo, speculating here, but my prediction is that rather then blowing the whole allegedly seedy underbelly of JPJ security and UVA coverups and police incompetence wide open, this silly suit will end in an undisclosed settlement that will be rumored to be around $900K, and the H's will take it, because when it boils down to it, it's not about getting answers -- it's about the money and feeling the satisfaction of SOMEBODY going to trial to be punished for this.

" it's..., about making sure this doesn't happen to someone else"

If that were the case, then there would be a campaign to educate young girls about the dangers of losing their self control to drug and or alcohol, particularly in public without having someone look after them. Like it or not, it is not safe really any anywhere in the world for young girls to wander around alone without having their wits about them. I really wish it weren't true, but sadly it is. Instead of that campaign, the Harringtons have chosen to file suit against a company that had other people, people who were acting within the bounds of reason, to look after. That is anything but productive and won't do anything to help anyone.

Frank Speaker October 28th, 2011 | 10:10am

Not to worry the co-chair of the "in moderation" support group.

Darn it, I do not agree with everything you, T or Pam say. Each is different and worthy of reading. I know you 3 don't agree with even most of what I believe or each other most of the time. But, I support your right to print it unless it incites violence, racism and/ or unwarranted insults. See I even agree with Bigfoot,
I like the big feller.

I heard from a source and I hope you will understand I cannot revel such privy information as my highly placed informants must be protected. Get this, Bigfoot's costume is shhhhh... Big Bird for Halloween!

Sorry feller I just had to scoop the rest, a sketch will be released if possible!

T and Pam nice post. Let me throw out a possibility, just hear me out please.

If and that is if: The same person last seen is the same person who planted the shirt several weeks later would it no be possible that the person would also post anonymously on the FM forum or the blogger's site?

I am trying to ask if this possibility exists than would the misdirection have not continued and the DNA also be planted.

Now is anyone saying that VSP does not think the friends fully cooperated with them? Because VSP has no reason to comment in an ongoing open case.

To a different point, this is civil court not criminal and it is not a DA. So no offer of immunity would be granted so I am sure that the friends can exercise their 5th amendment rights without inferring any guilt.

So, do you think that the security company will go fishing for the friends, maybe?

You want to find the truth you start where and when she exited. That is what VSP is saying. That is where you start in my opinion. Then you follow the trail.

Both of you have valid opinions.

I can tell you many just do not understand the reasons that VSP does not share all information with the parents of a woman over 18. So, the opinions by the parents are somewhat not the facts.

Maybe a Judge will look at the VSP file and make some choices if the State says it will jeopardize the on going case.

There are going to be many legal decisions. Usually neither party gets all of what they want. Then there MAY BE a jury and I am not sure in Virginia if you need anything more than a majority in a civil trial.

It will be interesting, but we the public may not know what the judge keeps out. It is not Florida and it is not criminal court.

Hate to brake it to you but officially VSP has not said there is a "Bad Guy" with Morgan yet. Bad girl, girls bad anything.

It has always been my opinion that a girl friend found the shirt weeks later while sorting laundry and displayed the shirt to send a message she was done with her now ex.

Would she be a monster or just scared to death about the horror of what she exposed. I would hope that she would come forward and get protection and maybe a deal. But that will not be apart of the civil trial unless there is link of her to an employee of the part being filed against.

Gil has to start somewhere. I wonder if the shirt had been washed, VSP knows.

My opinions only, I am not an attorney but I have stayed at Holiday Express.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlCLuIwuVgQ

The Hook did an article on the vanishing jury trial, but it was more focused on criminal trials. Here's a snippet of a story on civil trials (from this link: http://www.vapersonalinjuryaccidentattorney.com/library/fewer-civil-jury...):

The cost of taking a case to trial is most likely the biggest factor behind the vanishing jury trend. Resolving a civil case by trial is often a big, expensive gamble. The costs associated with going to trial – trial preparation, filing fees, and compensation of court reporters, physicians and expert witnesses – can be very expensive. Cost, however, is not the only factor associated with the decline of civil jury trials. Clients often have to wait years before their case goes to trial which is unappealing to injured victims with piles of overdue medical bills. An increase in the use of other forms of resolution, including arbitration and mediation, might also play a role in this vanishing jury trend.

Someone above asked about the choice of venue, and whether or how that benefits the Harringtons. I *think* (but am not sure) that RMC can object under Va. Code. Ann. §8.01-261, -262.

Nice work T! Very nice! thank you!

And of course you know that's a broken clock with a capital B, not thee...

He can say "She was fine when I dropped her off at ____." (fraternity row or maybe the intersection of Rt. 29 and 64 if he's worried about his own pings).

My gut doesn't see a trophy taker. An explosively angry perp, yes, if Gil's suggestion of broken bones holds true, but not a trophy taker. I suspect the necklace could even be somewhere on AF on the fairly vast grounds. They couldn't have done a thorough search of all 700+ acres, could they? And we've seen no aerial photos showing such a search. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but seems like we might have heard that tidbit.

Suppose the assault was somewhere near the edges of the property, or she was dumped off at the fringes or in the woods, then ran or stumbled or dragged herself towards that final field. Necklace could have been lost along the way., now trampled by cattle or tractors, or even picked up by a curious crow or raven interested in shiny things. Could have snapped off in the car and been found and discarded. Might not even exist in the first place.

I too wonder how his dna failed to be on the bracelet -- like you, assuming it was only returned to Gil because it held no value as evidence. Perhaps he disabled her with a swift blow as soon as she climbed into the car. Maybe she passed out on her own when she sat down in the comfortable dry warmth. Or he strangled her to unconsciousness before, not during -- a lesson learned from Fairfax. So maybe there was no struggle. Or perhaps the broken bones (or dna under her nails) tell the tale of a defensive struggle. We can only guess, but the M.E. and VSP know.

Arrow, clean no bones an accidental hunting mistake. Lone hunter accident, no DNA would not touch anything but the arrow. No one else knows or ever will till the day he can't take it, maybe that is who Dino is talking to, pray it was an accident and try to forgive him with out so much as 4 years. Deal with him, believe him or her if they come forward and the shirt was from an earlier encounter. If , IF, if Dino, Rader, the science all support this it would explain why no issues of public safety. No proof either of who, NO PROOF, doesn't mean Dino doesn't know! Back to the bracelet, he was not trophy taker because he is not a killer. My opinion of what is just as possible as other theories, but it would explain all of VSP's actions. I had that for a long time, there is something about that silver bracelet, new moon. Would it be so horrible

Here's a good definition of homicide:

Columbia Encyclopedia: homicide

in law, the taking of human life. Homicides that are neither justifiable nor excusable are considered crimes. A criminal homicide committed with malice is known as murder, otherwise it is called manslaughter. A homicide is excusable if it is the result of an accident that occurred during a lawful act and that did not amount to criminal negligence. Justifiable homicides are intentional killings done in accordance with legal obligation, or in circumstances where the law recognizes no wrong. They include the execution of criminals in some states, killings necessary to prevent a felony or to arrest a suspected felon, and killings in self-defense. In some states of the United States, one may lawfully kill in resisting the unlawful invasion of a home or real property. Many states make a distinction between first and second degree murders. First degree murder is a homicide committed with deliberately premeditated malice, or with extreme and wanton malice. The conviction for first degree murder often carries a sentence of life imprisonment; in some states it can be punished by execution. Second degree murder is a lesser crime, in which a homicide is committed with malice but without deliberation or premeditation.

Yes, in law school it is easy.

All Firetrucks are red
Not all red trucks are Firetrucks

All Murders are Homicides
Not all Homicides are Murder.

Good luck explaining to blogger's people.
C'ville and the surrounding county is very intelligent, but those people do not comment on the murder term issue. They don't waste their time. It is the few that are vocal that just misrepresent the whole area. They don't get the concept. Good luck with that one!

Let's say sketch is apprehended for the Fairfax assault, which from what we know seems more straightforward than Morgan's case. Victim is dragged off the street, beaten, choked, and sexually assaulted. Lives to tell. A sketch is created. DNA is retrieved.

What will they charge him with? Attempted rape? Sexual battery? Aggravated sexual battery? Assault and battery? Multiple charges?

Depends on if he left something caught in a rape kit. If so RAPE!
No statute of limitations in Virginia, if I remember Ms. Stuarts reporting and follow ups on Ms. Seccuro.

As to Morgan, depends. State may deal on the 2005 rape to get a full confession on Morgan.
Honestly I do not know, seems that would be the State Attorney General's office. I am sure on that Gil would be of influence. I believe she wants to hear the words. Then, I just don't know if she could forgive and accept anything less than life, without parole.

I am just guessing, but Gil is unique! I would want to bee up for election orr appointment if Gil does not have some say.

That is for Virginian to decide! Not a Tennessean, cause if it was my daughter well there would be no trial, sorry, I know it is not right to say that, but I do not have the heart she has displayed.

Or the necklace. Maybe those two shiny links looked like the flash of a buck's eye. Nailed her right in the throat. Necklaces was tangled up in the arrow when the horrified hunter retrieved it. But wouldn't they have found a link or a little crystal at the scene? Of course we don't know if they did or not. Maybe they did and assumed it mean the bad guy took it. And maybe he did, only he's not so much bad as afraid to come forward. Interesting theory. But is it the guy in the sketch? Or is his dna just a weird coincidence from casual contact?

I sure am not saying to bank on it, but is possible, and would explain VSP actions. Doesn't hurt that she didn't suffer a beating, or much worse prior.

But a good person with a bow, a human would die so fast the power and actually very little damage to the bones compared to anything else we discussed.

My heart wants it to be an OD or accident. My trained mind says maybe I just this one is different, like the bracelet, but sadly there is no duplicate.

If by chance, ironically he word long shot comes to mind that his is right.

If something similar to this happened and you are out there or know someone like that and hear of this, please call Dino. I know I will listen and the way your living now is not life. You could give peace to Gil, help a community and get a real life again. The pain needs to stop for every one!

Let's say this theory is correct. Any idea what the charge would be for the person responsible, should they finally come forward? I assume they'd be charged with something. I guess the police would be mad (not that that's why you get charged, but still) that they wasted all those resources for 2 years. But it would be a relief. Dan and Gil would forgive that person, I'm sure, especially if he was remorseful and wracked by grief and guilt. It would be very uncomfortable to be keeping that secret. I bet it would be a relief to have it all over with.

And if it's a combo theory -- someone picks her up hitch hiking, boots her out of the car near AF because she vomits or something, then she hoofs it through AF only to be felled by a bow hunter -- now we have two uncomfortable people maintaining their silence.

Not impossible, and certainly would continue her run of bad luck that night.

There would be charges, not sure the term for it Virginia.

911 is a must. Leaving the scene of an auto accident is a serious offense. leaving the scene of a person being shot, that is an offense.

This person probably was questioned unofficially and passed the little did you notice anything strange that night or the next test. He would be the kind of guy anyone could bond with till that time.

If so that would be a crime of lying to an officer, then there is a sort of obstruction. If he has a good clean record and someone to love him maybe 4 years. But, if he spoke to Gil and told her everything and took counseling, the judge could suspend the sentence and keep him on probation for years.

Point is put it out there, if there is such a person just the fact that two people at least seem forgiving is enough for hope. I really feel if he gave the details that Gil would be able to tell if he was totally honest and in time Gil would forgive him.

I agree that he'd be forgiven. It's a terrible scenario, but it's a better scenario than what they're currently thinking. In a way, I'm sure it would be a relief. There would be shock and anger and we'd all be yammering away on comment boards speculating about whether she could have been saved if he'd done the right thing, whether he's lying about the whole thing and it was really a murder, yada yada yada, but in the end it would settle into acceptance (for most) and maybe finally some peace for the Harringtons.

Now we still do have the problem of sketch...

Very, very interesting theory. I can't imagine that VSP would fail to give the tip to Fairfax though -- would they? I imagine Rader would love for his team to at least publicly solve SOMETHING connected with this case, even if tangential. But maybe they don't have the bandwidth to pursue things outside the scope of Morgan's death.

Very interesting. I'll chew on that one awhile, along with AIC's recommended approach to solving Morgan's crime. Both good food for thought....

Raders team knows the three big things we don't in this scenario.

1] was there any of sketches sperm at Fairfax and /or the final resting spot for Morgan prior to recovery.

2] was there any evidence of anything as a weapon blade, bullet, ax, shovel, etc. Have they thought about the arrow?

3]the condition and samples or links to sketch or maybe more and was it cleaned in the many weeks prior to display?

Rader knows more that I know, so I'm good. He says interesting but not interested. He does nothing for what ever reason.

He will review the notes and his team is not going to be second guessed by me.

Thanks T. thanks a lot for your time an open mind. I could care less who finds the truth as long as Gil, VSP and later down the road we do.

Maybe only one part of the assertions turns on a light bulb in the lab or Dino's or some local citizen. if so, today was worth it, been a while with out feeling so good about the prospects, now I see a glimmer, like that silver bracelet under an October new moon.

I hope the friends are living a good life, I am sure Morgan would want them too!

Just remember they are human too, once weren't you?

Peace Amy and Sarah!

God's speed Gil! There is always a glimmer of hope if you seek the truth!

Someone please call DINO, just say I need to talk.

Take it easy down there big feller!

AND HOW BOUT THOSE ST. LOUIS CARDINALS TEX!
When you started playing ball, did they have trains? Pop corn, had the hotdog be introduced to America? Cracker Jacks?

lol, i take a drink every time gramps brags about his many exploits, like helping alexander graham bell install the first telephone. (now you know my secret identity is lindsay lohan!)

He's doing alright Jenn. They're just talking about one of the two old fools they see posting somewhere else. I get it.

Now one challenge to the bow hunting theory would be the fact that -- being a moonless night, and rainy at that, it might be hard to get enough ambient light for her necklace, earrings, or bracelet to give off a brief glint. I wonder in October, given falling leaves and all, if light from the nearby roads (are there street lights on Red Hill Rd?) or houses would reach that field where she was felled. I'm assuming we think the hunter didn't move her -- just took the arrow and fled the scene.

Also, would a hunter be hunting at night in that icky rain? I suppose hunters are game (pardon the pun) for all kinds of weather.

Truthiness, I don't know for sure, but I think hunters usually set up before dawn then wait until first light to shoot. I think the AF hunters were known to Mr. Bass, and were appreciative of him and responsible about their hunting rights. Unfortunately for land owners and responsible hunters, poachers and spotlighters are common in rural areas. They'd be the ones out there at night.

My hunch is that he'll get a relatively short sentence for Fairfax, but his connection to Morgan's death will be unprovable. If they're lucky (and the next girl isn't), he'll get tripped up committing his next crime, and get a decent sentence for that on top of his Fairfax sentence.

spellchecker, indeed -- I guess that will be the gateway to all the fascinating stuff coming out about what went on with Morgan and friends that day, what intoxicants were consumed, etc. Won't be pretty.

IF the case isn't thrown out outright based on contributory negligence. The state won't bother trying a case that's unwinnable on its face.

Precisely, Truthiness; data gathering rather tha ultimate venue, corporate or agency culpability. (The issue of contributory negligence as it impacts this case was suggested over a year ago.)

Virginia might be one of four;

Q: What is Virginia contributory negligence?

A: Contributory negligence is a form of law in which an injured party may not have contributed to their injuries in any way in order to recover compensation for those damages. Virginia is one of 3 states and the District of Columbia that still follows contributory negligence laws.

T: hook reader is so correct, a poacher is more likely, but unfortunately a little less likely to exhibit as much remorse than a permitted hunter.

Would be used to getting in and getting out.

Does EMC have 20 days to file a motion to dismiss? If so, is today the deadline?

Frank Speaker - your comments only endorse my perspective. how did the civil war turn out for you? thanks for proving my point(s) time and time again!

I'm sick and tired of people trying to blame the girl for what happened. Do you even know what sexual predators are? What they do? Do you know what your life means to them, what your children mean to them, what the nicest and prettiest girl in town means to them? An hour of "getting off." That's all you are to them. They'll use your body, dead or alive, to "get off," then drop you in a dumpster once they're done. Then they say "Neeext! "

So who's their next victim? YOUR kid? You better hope that the Harringtons prevail here.

Stephen blames the victim for causing the crime. That's so Charlottesville of you.... When Lunsford ousted Camblos she said she wanted to clean up Albemarle County and make it safer and provide better services, but even she doesn't prosecute UVA sexual assault cases. Maybe she also feels that the victim is always at fault.... The only way to make Charlottesville safe is for Charlottesville AND Albemarle County to rise to the occasion, roll up their sleeves, and do the hard work of prosecuting criminals, not the victims! UVA certainly is not going to admit fault - they are the money makers, the lifeline of this area.... and everyone bows to them. Only a handful of parents who have had kids become victims of crime work in YOUR town work to to clean up your YOUR town -- the locals certainly don't even try.

Bond: we don't care what you think of Steven. Or clowns!

Morgan was a young woman not a baby or girl.

We know that she did not ask for it or deserve it.
Have you not learned anything?

We are not so blind as you, we do not suggest you reflect all of the views from your claimed country. So, please what is your point, conspiracies?

We are all shuttering in our boots that the all knowing Bond that does not print his/HER real name will somehow express we are not worthy of being on a page with BOND!

One thing is sure, Gil did not file the suite for your approval. BANK ON IT!

The hunting accident makes about as much sense as the slavery angle. Occam's razor. A known (yet unknown) rapist's DNA is found in connection to a homicide victim. It's not rocket science here, folks.

Newsflash......Ocam slit his own throat with that razor. Thank goodness we do not have to listen to the outdated tired old Ocam BS anymore.

parakeet you are so right and so funny! and how about that george? AicBond, aren't you the one who always gets comment sections shut down all over the internet? Is it you and cosmo? You guys give yourselves away. No one here has been blaming the victim, just saying that the courts may find there is a percentage of contributory neglegence here and it will work against Gil's interests. More power to Gil, though. I personally hope she gets at least some answers out of the suit because this has been two years of hell for her.

As many have said above, it is hardest to solve a random crime when the perp is unknown except for the dna match to one other random crime. It is obviously hard to place this Fairfax guy in Charlottesville and on Anchorage Farm...we have a lot of really good and capable investigators on the case, we may just have to be patient and let them do their work.

Pam, do you have some other personal beef with Charlottesville and UVa?...some of you are pretty transparent.

I wonder if they should have filed the suit in Fairfax instead of their hometown. Cville is already well aware of the incident; I imagine Roanoke is, too. Maybe keeping the flame burning in Fairfax would help prod some memories of the2005 incident. But maybe the guy's not from either place.

all you haters ... this suit will probably end up locking up most of your family members, eh?

like i said ... we will see.
even OJ eventually got locked up as a result of a civil suit ... it took a little longer, but justice was served.

I bet that geriatric Texan was one of the engineers working on the BP Oil spill...that would explain so much. This man is beyond obnoxious in expressing his own opinions about everything from race relations to misogynistic rhetoric. I have some news for ye gramps, YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING! Your writing skills are sub-par, so quit trying to give advice on how to communicate. You suck at it. You couldn't be cogent if your life depended on it. While I'm at it, women don't always apply make-up to please a man or look "more attractive." They do it because a lot of them enjoy it. They do it for themselves not for anyone's approval. Secondly, not all artists begin a painting with a certain goal in mind. Some artists, hold onto your dentures now papaw, LET THE PAINTING INFLUENCE THEM! You've probably filled your diaper after reading all these revelations.

cosmo, how vast is the network of conspirators that you think did poor Morgan in? Couldn't it be just one lone man who's not even affiliated with charlottesville?

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today - of course it did, the civil trial forced the robbery which got him to jail.
it is like when they got Al Capone on tax evasion.
Virginia can't protect its women and it is a true shame considering all things.
Also, JAB, Texas is 5 times the size geographically and has approx. 25 million people.
Virginia has approximately 8 million people in it ... there is no comparison.
just another example of the continued ignorance. this is not an attack on the good people of Virginia (really-you know who you are) just your infrastructure is archaic given how much money is pumped into the state each year. CIA, FBI, UVA, VSP, JPJA ... unbelievable amount of wealth and investment and girls just disappear. and yes, i know, CIA and FBI are federal, but we all know the federal government is atrocious right now and does not care about constituents. the USPS is broke, Fannie May and Freddie Mac are broken and corrupt ... is there really anything that the federal government does that works anymore? oh defense, right ... remember 9/11. never forget. all will be revealed. RIP Morgan.

It's really hard for anyone to solve a random crime. Most crimes are solved because they are committed by people who know each other. Morgan's crime likely involved a stranger, and he may even have come from outside the area -- maybe even from outside the state. That leaves law enforcement dependent on someone coming forward to say they know who did it.

But if no one knows who did it -- say, if this stranger acted alone, keeps to himself, doesn't brag about his exploits, and doesn't do anything to raise red flags to those who know him -- it's going to be impossible to find him unless he strikes again and leaves more dna and more evidence.

The police are banking on it being someone who knows Anchorage Farm, but if it turns out he just happened upon it, or staked it out in advance as serial killers have been known to do, that's a huge problem.

Cosmo and Bond are just a couple of Boink zombies . Incapable of rational thought while spewing her hate generated witch hunt diatribes against individuals and institutions galore . I just looked over there today got a real laugh . She claims anyone posting on sites other than hers are BS posers and that she is open to other opinions . That is rich as the essence of her site is to scavage off Nancy Grace and ride it for dollars .These zomby Boinkettes and Boink claim all of Virginia and relevant agencies are deliberately preventing progress of solving a dispicable crime. That crew tipped the culprit off by meddling in release of the Fairfax connection . They are not doing much in the way of making a sympathetic jury pool in the event of charges . Attacking the state of Va,cities,individuals,farmers,universities ,law enforcement agencies ,out of state folks,US national agencies etc etc might not be a good idea . Waging war against the innocent could be counterproductive .

ANGRY PARAKEET November 1st, 2011 | 1:10am

All is not as it seems, not that many would have screen shot the "sitemeter", Maybe just maybe the very people that kept it pubic did so for a reason.

Do not bet that the Texas hat is unique or that there are not many hats that can be worn by different people.

All in time in the proper court!

Based on where Morgan was found and the elevations/gates/barb wire and other structures on AF, I believe he used an ATV and shot right down the powerlines off Red Hill.
B

A new theory, so it is a Black non Asian ancestor of slaves, that worked security that dives a ATV and used a weapon that shoots projectiles.

Bigfoot, I didn't link it. You and the Editor have been very kind to me. But, read it for yourself.

Gil, pleaseeeee! Have your attorneys look at that site. Pleaseeeeeeeeee!

I think "shot down the powerlines" means "rode the ATV in the clearing between the power lines to reach the remains site." Now, recall that earlier theories involved a hunter transporting the body by boat in the little Hardware River, or ditching the body on the banks of said river in the (purely imagined) black tarp, which then floated up to the remains site due to rainfall. This theory is at least as good as those.

Also not sure how her theories fit together -- the slave descendent is sending a message to the farmer or the farm or something, BUT also doesn't want the body to be discovered. But it needs to be discovered to send the message. Confused thinking over there.

michael sutton ... i think you are wise. what do you thing really happened and is really going on?

Confused
Sure, have lots of ideas about the slavery connection. First, and most probable, is the fact they have linked the DNa to family who descended from slaves who lived on AF.
Second, is the fact that generations of farmers and share croppers and their children stay put in one area for many centuries sometimes, if they are comfortable there, and not in trouble for murder or something. It is highly probable that a descendant of the original slaves on AF, lived there and committed the crime against Morgan. The perp knew where he was, was very familiar with the land. He even put Morgan on a special number which had significance to her parents, ie 41 (for all we know he might have made a symbol for the 2 in there somehow, and thus the reason for LE being SOOO insistant that the perp had been there befor, Location, Location, Location.
Third, there is most likely a slave cemetery there, if slaves lived there. Folks could have been talking for generations about past wrongs, and there were plenty. All it would take is for one family member with a twisted mind to take up the ventetta. (could happen) Not saying any of this happened, but could have.
Now, if we were not looking for a black person, but instead blond, blueeyed person, then one could imagine a descendant of the German Prisoners of War went on a vendetta, Only 50-60 years ago, and just possible some are still alive and passing their own brand of hate around against the blacks and Jews, etc. (not saying this happened either) It all sounds silly, but why have they not found the murderers of Morgan?
Now that I have said all that, I might as well say that I do not think they took Morgan on an ATV, but on a dune buggy type of thing instead.

The slavery angle is the latest far fetched pet theory of a haus frau who blogs. There is NO reason to believe that the dna has been tied to anyone except the unknown attacker of a woman in Fairfax in 2005. Even said blogger has not suggested such a silly thing -- and she routinely makes or hints at outlandish claims like that.

J.R. "Bob" Dobbs November 3rd, 2011 | 10:10am

I do not know? She seems to say a hunter and referenced tree camera's. Then she takes a quote from J.me and comments as if J.me is in her raciest club. Of that I certainly do not think J.me is raciest, so why she allows it, I don't know, bust she has told me [ yes, her voice] she does not like to make enemies.

J.R. "Bob" Dobbs November 3rd, 2011 | 8:14pm

Thanks, your right

cosmo November 3rd, 2011 | 10:50am

Your a fisher, so here is what I think.
If Morgan had been of color, and it was Metallica the story would still be in the news. The Hook, National News and even JMV.

Nancy Grace and Boink, nada!

Metallica would have put up the 50,000 and yes I do believe Gil and family would have pitched in as their co-workers did for them.

Smoke that cosmic cowboy!

Yes, they would file a suit if the family was of color and the slavery thing, well Virginian's know snake oil salesman !

Oh, I see it is a transformer. The ATV turns into a train then a dune-buggie thing then to a hunters truck pulling a trailer and then what?

So the hunter theory, well seems the are abandoning all of the issues with me, like law suites and now saying law suites are just dandy and and it was a hunter, just not my hunter. There hunter, started at the entrance and gate to JPJA, attacked Morgan, apparently stopped at a slave cemetery, then set Morgan free to run in hay fields where the same hunter [ riffle must have been in his magic carpet] [no wait that is Asian] shoots her. Then avoids LE from VSP and Fairfax.

This hunter knew where the tree camera's were, THE TREES CAMERAS!

Frank, agreed. Make the first right after turning off on Rt.29, and you are practically at the remains site. It hardly requires the help of a Sacagawea to find.

Totally correct and it is even the logical first place to pull off. The gravel pit to the left, the tracks are an obstacle if one were just going with no idea or purpose.

Of you are the pond, and there was no locked gate. Other than 3 strands of barbed wire it is a natural down hill progression, easy par 3.

"methinks the lady doth protest too much" Keep talking, that is the way we get to know you.

Frank, don't be silly, you're missing the point that this is a revenge killing for slavery or...I forget what the slavery angle is exactly, or never understood it because it makes no earthly sense. But I'm sure it's why they did not conceal her, but still hid her. The rich guy on the gator concealed her, but the slave guy said let's not bury her -- I'm trying to send a message to X about Y. Hmm. Well, it's hard to work out just yet.

Still, in the end, I'm sure that ALL of the theories that she's coughed up like hairballs will fit neatly together. I'm sure it will work out to be that when the fairfax dude blitzed her in the parking lot (with or without his taser -- the thinking seems to come and go), the grounds crew in their gator came by and snapped her up. See my post above about disguising her as a deer. Makes total sense, really, and wouldn't draw a BIT of attention.

JR, you are pathetic. You are worse than the murderers of Morgan. Reason being, they were psychotic, at least their leader was/is. You, on the other hand, know better, and use any and all means to attempt to hurt the friends and parents of Morgan. You hope to somehow taint her memory by belittling her. Well, it is not working for you. All you are doing is showing the world what an extremely ill mannered, low class individual you are.
A woman like Morgan would not give you a second look. That is your problem. You hate beauty, because you are ugly, inside and out.

So, this article and the often mentioned blogger. The question maybe how does one relate to the other?

Well, the Estate of Morgan Dana Harrington would be well served to distance the memory of Morgan Dana Harrington form that blogger for these legal reasons:

That blogger has printed personal information about the founders and workers of a Security company that now is involved in a civil suite. The blogger repeatedly implies that she is on speaking terms with Gil and asserts that Gil is taking her advise.

If the Estate of Morgan Dana Harrington were to ask for all internal documentation and anything that could help with learning the truth ordinarily I am sure the party being sued would cooperate as that they too want the truth and if an employee or two did perform to less tan standards there certainly was on intent to cause any harm.

BUT, why should the party being sued do anything as long as they are being false accused by that blogger as to heritage, background checks, implied financial legalities, permits and even posting picture asking for the public to see if their people resemble the sketch.

Now please, the blogger does relate to the article and I believe will be presented in court, upheld in appeals and it is about time for Gil, that is Gil, Gil or her attorney to address this appearance of conspiring to profit from something so beneath what Morgan Dana Harrington deserves.

Gil, do this! Distance your self from the filth and prejudice and see what responses and the fruit of information that will blossom once those wih information understand that ain't what Gil Harrington is about. Gil is a mother who wants the truth and will try to listen to anyone, Gil is not accusing people, naming people, printing persona information and Gil is not prejudice!

Gil is human and Gil hurts!
Gil is not after money and revenge!

Gil wants the truth!

Poor Gil. She's reached the bottom of the barrel.

J.R.:

She is a fighter getting her footing. There are many, maybe no so much to express the things that we have been through.

She needs to come to terms in her mind and she will. Bank on it!

Baez: Jury selection and all that a good Attorney needs. To understand that in the United States of America everyone has the right to best the legal defense possible.

He provided it, the State Florida smirked and the jury found the "TRUTH".
12 Floridians, oh what 12 Virginians can do as seen this past week and covered by The Hook so well. 12 people instructed by a judge, I think the Virginians are great examples of the fair trial system, and could anyone win a appeal based on their thoughtful process, I don't think so.

I know this, the blogger was wrong!

University of Virginia is without a question the finest Law School not privately owned, and maybe the best without that distinction. We grew up with John, there is good reason he chooses to live in your area.

I read "The Last Juror" and though set in Mississippi just south of Tennessee I detect a little influence of "The Hook" in that book.

Virginia does not need me for legal advise that is for sure, but they sure as heck do need to give that blogger a taste of "what goes around comes around"! In my outsider's opinion.

I have faith in Gil, Virginia and VSP.

AICBond November 4th, 2011 | 4:45pm

"JR, you are pathetic. You are worse than the murderers of Morgan."

Really Bond?

In another comment you said something about England. Do you not know history? Virginia does not answer to a King or Queen. We won that war twice, Remember Washington and what state he was from. Do you remember another President that thrashed the so called greatest ARMY and NAVY to pieces and killed their great warrior in New Orleans.

So, these readers IQ's are higher than your annual income.

Do you compute? Nada, not capable are you you?

So JR is worse than a murderer, what does that make you?

J.R.:

Is Baez Asian?

But wait!

RMC Events makes a motion for ALL "FindMorgan.com"
records! The Judge Grants RMC all access to Danny Boy's PM's with Blink!

Everything, I mean everything.

Want a peek, Gil?

But, I am just a simple boy from Southwest Tennessee who believes:
in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned.
Not my quote!

But from my Dad who likes Shakespeare and did a legal work and that I worked for some 40 years:

"Polonius:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!"

My interest are share in the truth!

UVA may not be Vanderbilt but much in common they are.

I cannot give advise, only tell what my simple ole country Father taught me.

Beware of what simple ole Tennessee Lawyers will come up with! They just might have an answer for this statue of limitations quandary.

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey, I have no doubt your IQ is higher than my monthly income, but please get some advice , NOTE ADVICE. Also, unless you be a sculptor, you cannot make a STATUE of limitations. Interesting to see you try though. Your friend, Bond, James Bond.

I know I should have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, then my spelling would be so much better, but there are not any near the tracks by the bridge are there?

And that was annual income! Without commas or decimals.

Say hello to s12 and spice from FM. Gil opened the door, you do such good work Bond!

Enjoying your view from the loft above the real home are you?

So Bond riddle me this:

Is what Gil said just a cover for you to bring in the northern troops?

Why do you think she said, " Like it or not, we remain a family of sorts with the police. Families have their differences, but they air those differences behind closed doors. "

Doesn't seem consistent with your take.

Just crack hiding in their compound for now, then you can see if you can get me a raise.
James

It ends with the arrest and conviction of the murderers of Morgan. It ends with justice for Morgan and her family. If I had my way, it would end with the death penalty for the murderers. Nothing less is fair. The truth will be known.
Please take a good look at Gil's face. Look at the suffering. Soon, ones who know what happened that night will come forward with the needed evidence. Have some compassion. Have a heart.

I've been thinking how the perp might currently be an unemployed 39 year old, tall (6ft) black (dark intermediate) male of medium build living in the Washington, DC area. That up until late 2004 he was an enlisted member of the Army's 5th Special Forces out of Fort Campbell, Kentucky. That before he was discharged ("kicked out") of the Army under "less than honorable" conditions, he was considered very proficient at his duties and had almost finished his second tour of duty in Afghanistan where he became hopelessly addicted to heroin. That he currently receives compensation from, and is currently being seen by Veterans Administration (VA) doctors for a variety of ailments associated with the time he spent in the Army. That they have him down as suffering from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and consider him to be a very unstable individual. That there may be other unsolved crimes he has committed while serving in Afghanistan involving the stalking, torture and rape of other young women. That he must have selected his Fairfax victim by observing her while she shopped in the Giant food store that evening. That employee's from that store might still be able to offer up new information regarding her rapist provided the right personnel are assigned to help them recall it.

If it's he's loner, and no one knows what happened that night, it's going to be tough to solve.

Right on, Billfar!

Also doesn't sound like the first attack was carried out with the military precision we might expect from a recent vet. It was sloppy.

Also, employees recalling details 6 years later? I'm sure that immediately or quite soon following the rape in 2005, the Fairfax police diligently canvassed the neighborhood including the Giant, bearing what was at the time a current sketch of the perp. Must not have helped.

Billfar, this case makes me sick. I have always thought this man could be the perp in Morgan's case.
"Joseph Anthony Broadway, 46, of Stafford County was previously convicted in Stafford Circuit Court of aggravated malicious wounding, abduction and attempted rape.

Judge J. Martin Bass sentenced him to a total of 40 years with all but the 91/2 suspended. Broadway had no prior criminal record.

The sentence was within the recommended state sentencing guidelines, but did not go over well with the victim.

"That's it? That's all he gets for ruining my life?" she blurted out before supporters guided her out of the courtroom.

According to the evidence presented previously by prosecutor Caleb Frigerio, the woman was walking in the shopping center near Foreston Woods Drive on July 6 when Broadway drove up and asked if she needed a ride.

The woman declined, but a few minutes later she was choked from behind and forced into a vehicle.

She was taken to Broadway's home on Kennesaw Drive in Stone River subdivision, where she was dragged into the house, beaten with a nightstick and had her clothes taken off.

The woman broke away at some point and managed to call 911. She had just made the call when Broadway, who is married, entered the room with a knife.

She was completely naked when she ran outside directly into 1st Sgt. Frank Martello, who was responding to the 911 call.

The victim was bleeding profusely and ended up with 22 staples and 20 stitches in her head. She also suffered a broken arm and nerve damage.

Defense attorney Jason Pelt asked Bass to give Broadway five years to serve.

He said Broadway had a distinguished Navy career and had a history of service in his church and his community.

He said Broadway's actions that day were horrible, "but don't let that one day define what this man is. This is a guy you want to be like," Pelt said.

Frigerio said Broadway has proven to be a danger to society and deserved a long prison term. He said the victim is alive only by "grace and the sheer force of will."

"We don't know what caused Mr. Broadway to commit these horrible acts," Frigerio said. "But whatever it is, it's still in him."

Before Bass pronounced sentence, Broadway read a statement in which he apologized and claimed his actions that day "are not my character at all. It is my hope and prayer that I am reunited with my family as soon as possible."

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Frank, yes, I do think it's a loner. That's why it remains so hard to solve. I don't see any need to insert additional perps into the story. DNA-guy attacked the Fairfax woman on his own. Rapists tend to rape alone. And they're a dime a dozen. People seem to need Morgan's attack to be different, unique, complex, diabolical, elaborately plotted, with deep layers of meaning and intrigue. They want it to be special. Far more probable that it was a random attack because she was vulnerable and in the wrong place at the wrong time.

JR
It could still be Broadway. He could have murdered Morgan, without leaving his DNA around (he would know how to do this, being a Navy Seal) He then could have used his
contacts in Pentagon to get the DNA from Sketch, and put it on the shirt (not probable, but possible) He also could have planned the abduction with sketch, sketch being the only sloppy one. Could be if this be the case that Sketch is no longer alive, because Broadway would kill him to shut him up.
So, ask Broadway who Sketch is.

Bilfar November 6th, 2011 | 12:19am

Very well stated, every word.

The key aspect on any re-entry is that a person has no still be inside to get authorized . When they are approved for a valid reason tore-enter by the designated person then they can exit with the assurance they can re-enter .In this case the sinage on the policy is very explicid .A person with a cell phone like MH has the opportunity to call 911 .Her friends after talking to her don't appear to have been given indication of medical distress or they could have called 911 .The ticket takers were talking with her . Some credit should be extended to them for having the ability to descern if medical aid or police intervention should be sought . From the stories so far ,she seemed strong and agressively debating with front entrance personell that she should be let back in disregarding the posted policy . She seemed more of a pissed off patron than one needing medical assistance.

Bilfar --- There is a full slate of events on the University grounds ongoing . Standard procedures are in effect . The mayor is not needed to call a special council . The policing and security seemed adequate ,no unruly crowds patrons came and went unhindered . There were lots of video footage but no one can pick MH out in any video anywhere according to Lt Rader . The video cams can not angle themselves to see everyone and everything .A young patron such as MH would be very angry at the policy of no-rentry and refusal to let her back in . Having realised they are not going to be re-admitted then what is security going to do . You say they shouldn't be allowed to walk away . However,the walking away seems to be the logical and desired action by both parties . What authority does security really have over a person with an invalidated ticket who chooses to leave the area after they have left the building . MH is reported to be texting friends for a ride ,there is also family she could have called,taxi's would also have been an option . She had her car there and could have asked her friend to bring the keys to the front door . She could have driven to a restaurant to get a warm cuppa and came back to pick the friends up after the concert .

JR --- Would MH be slotted into a detention center ? On what grounds ? She was a free citizen .She was strong and mobile lobbying the front end to give her a special exception to the posted policy .She was forceful but not unreasonable or disruptive to the point that police would be called . She realized she was out of the building on her own decision and left the area as a free and unhindered person .We should have reasons here on opinions as to why the suit can win or not . The right to file a suit goes without question . Chances of success are more to the point . There are stories where this $3.5 million dollars has already been encumbered . That seems premature in that this case appears to be a slam dunk for the defense.

Protecting people from themselves is challenging. RMC can argue that
even her parents couldn't do it. For instance, if it's true that her
parents were aware that Morgan's group had a designated driver that
night, as has been reported, it meant that the others would be drinking.
But were they of age? Morgan was not. So why wasn't she among the
designated drivers? Seems to suggest a complicity or acceptance of that
behavior -- unwittingly contributing to her tragic end.

BUT, just as her parents don't want to throw the friends (who must have
helped her obtain liquor and/or drugs, and who failed to protect or
assist her) under the bus because they loved her, we're probably not
supposed to throw Morgan's parents under the bus for the same reason. So
let's throw RMC under the bus.

Now, can the suit win or not is an excellent question. Seems safe to say that even if Gil prevails, the award will be wiped out due to Morgan's contributory negligence. But that's jumping ahead -- the question is, could Gil prevail?

I suppose if Gil's lawyer argues that if even in one instance a person was allowed re-entry, and Morgan was not, that she was being treated unfairly even though she was being treated according to policy. So there could be some gray area as to why one person could come back, but another couldn't. Of course RMC might argue that it's up to the discretion of the staff member, so maybe it's ok that she was treated differently than some other person had been. Obviously by denying her entry, they didn't intend for her to hitch a ride with a psycho killer, and they really couldn't have seen it coming, so I don't see how they can be faulted for what happened to her after she left the venue.

Frank, I brought over Webster's policy because it's so clear. The posted policy gives them the right to refuse [admission, I gather] and re-entry -- it doesn't say that re-entry is not permitted, period. So that's where a lawyer might see wiggle room.

Seems premature to conclude the tapes were tampered with or lost. The police may have plenty o'footage from the arena. They have kept plenty of details and info close to the vest; no one owes it to us to show us tapes to prove she was there.

And the police have told us that based on their investigation, nothing that happened in the arena is germane to Morgan's disappearance. The action -- and crime -- took place after she left. No one saw her dragged into the bushes because in all likelihood she willingly climbed into the car that stopped to pick her up hitch hiking.

Would it matter if an RMC employee abducted Morgan? Of course. But there would be an arrest and a criminal trial in that case, not a civil suit (though i guess they could follow it with a wrongful death civil suit).

ft instances can be brought forward where people have been allowed to re-enter without prior permission then each case would be required to be examined . Generally it would be an employee not administering policy correctly . Disciplinary measures against the employee would be applicable . Given what we have heard here it doesn't appear that there was widespread disregard for the policy by those administering it . Bottom line is the policy was in force and if some were able to skirt it then that doesn't give licence to others . If a person is caught speeding they can't use the defense that lots of others were speeding also but were not caught and charged . The "why are you picking on me argument" doesn't win a person the right to be absolved from compliance to laws or posted rules .

All the talk about of alleged tape tampering,some were re-admitted in the past,underage drinking,look alikes to the sketch,slave ancestry,actions or omissions of friends,war veteran issues,etc.etc. are by and large red herrings to the issue in question with the law suit .

Could it be the case that ultimately Gil doesn't really file anything beyond this initial filing? That this is just as she said -- to preserve her options since the statute of limitations was about to run out?

How long does she have to file something beyond the initial filing? There must be some kind of clock ticking.

Maybe they'll be made to refund her ticket price.

Well I don't know if JPJA had or has the scanners we use out here. But at all of our venues the ticket taker or anyone with a scanner can un-scan a bar-coded ticket so that the person can present again. The report will show all 3 scans with times and code as to what process took place.

I think that by now JPJA is using this, but there is still the human judgement to decide if they "want to" allow re-entry. Just a thought: that maybe a different ticket taker than the one who instructed her may have said, let me see the ticket and what I can do.

On some nights at Staples, Nokia and Fed-EX in Memphis all types of people re allowed re-entry without a pass or stamp. In fact you are encouraged to keep your complete ticket.

I think the system has all of the capabilities but not used with proper human judgement and training then the potential is not reached.

Some great discussions today, F.S. where did you find that video? That is something else.

JR

Frank Speaker November 5th, 2011 | 7:47am

Two things stand out in the picture attached to this story . Firstly the mother of MH looks like Lorrie Morgan and secondly the sign describing the rules of admission,ejection,and re-entry are crystal clear . The rules couldn't be more prominately posted or more clear . At the end of this trial expect the judge to be singing the tune that Lorrie Morgan has on U-Tube . It is a nice tune and sums up this law suit it is called What Part of No-Rentry Don't You Understand

they certainly will be held accountable for her death if it is found that someone who worked there: a) was responsible for her death b) turned her away when she was injured c) destroyed evidence d) obstructed investigation

haters - make it easy on yourselves - give up

Cosmo--- Your thinking is about as slippery as Boink who is busy down Memphis way seemingly declaring by inference that a husband is responsable for causing his wife to go missing . Not a shread of evidence to support that claim .There is a bad neighbour so to also paint him with the same brush she claims the neighbour is included as part of the husband/wife domicile . Domestic means same home not same neighbourhood .Dishonest or what ?

Things like assisting with LE and care of evidence are after the fact issues .It is hard to determine who is accountable for her death when it is unknown when ,where, how it happened ,or who may have caused it. She wasn't turned away . She left on her own . Refusal of re-admission is not synonymous with being turned away from the Arena property .

if there is nothing to hide, then why so much fear?

Cosmo------ Refusal of re_admission is different than leaving the Arena property . This is straight forward publicly disclosed information . This little bit of information and other disclosures has you so confused you don't know wether you are coming or going . Better give it up before your confusion gets your head spinning like something in the cosmo .

and again ... there is no proof she was refused other than hearsay (no film / video / witnesses) and no proof that she was not abducted from the arena property.

really, J.R. ? gee, then i guess we should all call it a day and rest easy knowing that the locals finest have done their best ... you are too funny. it will be good to hear from these independent witnesses again during the civil trial as well as reconfirm all jurisdictional findings and non jurisdictional findings, VSP accounts, UVA accounts, JPJA accounts, dog tracking information, etc. of course she disappeared from the arena, which is really where she was last seen. whoever you are covering for will be exposed J.R. ... get some rest. you are going to need it. RIP Morgan.

BUT JR, I distinctly remember someone in LE either saying, or strongly suggesting someone 'left something behind" and that "they wished they had not left it behind"

What JR? You did not know this? I wonder what it was, other than the obvious DNA?
I wondered if it was a winch, or perhaps a wrench. Could it be they dropped the camera?
OR, did the dog run away? If the dog ran away, they could have done reverse scan on his irises and seen everything by now. Did not know this was possible, either? Well, look it up.

aic, I suspect it was the obvious dna.

This is the real suit. RMC will have to answer it but not until after they are served. Not sure they have been served with it yet. If the estate doesn't push the case, it can just sit there for a while.

One more question -- can others still be brought into the suit by Gil and the estate? Or is this their one bite at the apple?

Thanks.

So the theory that the civil suit is a gateway to suing UVA or a smaller local security company or random others is sounding kind of unlikely.

There are Federal Court options, some may be predicated by a state civil suit, but do not the obvious one.

We saw and heard with our own eyes and ears Gil state that "they" told her Morgan was dressed provocatively.

JVM kind of cut her off, but I do not think it was rude. Either she was so disgusted at the fact Gil presented that those people would discriminate or there was just a time issue with the show.

We suggested this the day after and the blogger's army said I was sue happy. Funny now, bit not a laughing matter. All of the time wasted on PR by Findmorgan,com and the blogger.

But, there is no time limit on discriminating against a victim and denying the effort by a agency due to there interpretation of a cultural choice.

That, if Gil would have come out from the "influences" of the man in-charge would have launched an investigation 18 months ago when it would have been better served.

Gil, the unknowing victim of people with there own agenda. once again shattered.

But it is not to late, discrimination is Federal and Civil rights certainly apply to a deceased woman that was not served by public law enforcement based on her looks, attire and her choices.

That my friends is the suit that needs to be filed, this one could be a step!

Now go back and read the filing and you will see the foundation is carefully there to continue.

State institutions and their contractors as well as LE are often the subject of Department of Justice filings and if not, the surviving executive of the estate can file suit on her own.

Gil knows who presented her with that statement. If she wants war, this is the Nuk Option. Gil should but Morgan first above ALL and proceed, no matter the consequences because either those people that claim to love you do or never really did at all!