No response: Huguely misses lawsuit's 21-day deadline
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George Huguely hasn't responded to Sharon Love's $30 million suit against him.hawes spencer
When Sharon Love served a $30 million lawsuit on her daughter's convicted killer on April 26, by law, George Huguely had three weeks to respond. However, by the end of day 21, which was May 17, Huguely had only one response: silence.
In more typical civil suit situations, a defendant's failure to respond with a filing of his own could clear the way for a plaintiff to file a motion for summary judgment, says Hook legal analyst David Heilberg, who's quick to add that it won't likely work that way in this case.
"He's incarcerated, so he has a right to a guardian ad litem," says Heilberg. Most often thought of as impartial legal advocates for children who are the subject of custody disputes, guardians ad litem are actually appointed in many situations in which the defendant is in some way incapacitated, and incarceration, says Heilberg, counts as incapacitation.
"He's in jail, so it's a little more difficult to process legal papers and hire an attorney," explains Heilberg.
During his February criminal trial, Huguely was represented by local defense team Fran Lawrence and Rhonda Quagliana. While that duo will continue to handle the criminal side of the case at least through Huguely's August 30 sentencing date, neither attorney returned the Hook's call by press time to answer questions about whether they will represent him through any appeals process or, for that matter, in the civil suit.
If Huguely retains private counsel for the civil action, he could waive his right to the taxpayer funded guardian ad litem. In that case, says Heilberg, he'll have to get rolling on the responses.
"He'll always have the opportunity to file a motion asking for an extension or relief," says Heilberg. "Then it's up to the court whether to extend the time."
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If he has no $ in his own name... he might just not answer, get a $30m judgment against him, then declare bankruptcy.
i hope they know if this goes to trail, the defendant and his lawyer could get very ugly in terms of what they reveal. the public wont have much interest in a civil case and the university will not be a party in this case, which will allow the actual defense to be quite raw.
I doubt this type of judgment would be dischargeable in bankruptcy.
When the Sisk family (Walter Sisk the firefighter killed by UVa student Alston) filed a civil suit against the former student Alston. Alston filed bankruptcy after the case was filed. This stopped the civil case. Alston agreed to a 500K settlement which went into the Bankruptcy case. The Plaintiff's got about 1K (if that) from the judgment and it was discharged.
The only person who could have prevented this murder was miss Love. This lawsuit is pointless.
Can anyone confirm X's comment? If that is how it worked out, then there is no need for George to respond to this case. That's why most crimes don't go to civil court.
Another point that may also be relevant in this scenario that I learned when working on campus rapes: If a woman sues for rape in civil court, and the male is under 21, his parent's homeowner policy provides his legal defense and the max payout will be the amount the homeowner's insurance will pay/settle. I believe that is what happened in the Hylton case.
A judgement for wrongful death (which is what I assume they are suing for) cannot be discharged in bankruptcy.
I would be more than happy if he had no income when or if he lives to get out of prison. I hope the Judge add time with contempt of court which should be added to his sentance. Perhaps even be jailed in different facilitites so he can make new friends. Hope he reads these comments, as that I went to the bay area to see the eclypse with all of the beautiful people.
Georgy boy, it is so beautiful here in California, all of your dreams will never come true. You deserve every thing your getting now and will! I would love to see you speak under oath. Perhaps Dick Chaney could you some pointers.
But, it is sad for the Love family, I hope all trust funds and co-accounts are researched. If he was bright he would speak as to his Dad and the environment of which he developed. But, as to legal questions about how he may be punished I will leave to TRUE Lawyers, not "an observer".
The Hook will explain it. What a class act, when he does get a parole hearing and the question of remorse comes up, well he is sealing his fate. I hope that every parole hearing in decades to come that a member of the Love family is present.
He ain't bright, questions the UVA educational system and perhaps his silence is the greatest gift to the Loves getting real money.
All that love Georgy boy, and the loyal UVA sheep will see soon that UVA is flawed.
A school that once was cherished for ideas and being above the scum, is now exposed! Like it or not he is the poster Man fior UVA student athelets. And the coaching staff, well, would you send your kids to be mentored by them.
New President indead, boosters, men and women that are graduates should be so ashamed of how the UVA sytem handled this.
But they want admit it, too stuborn to do the right thing. His silence only inhances the poster man and product of the coaches, the system, the school and Alumni!
No pity for a woman beater, no pitty for a coward! If he was my blood, I ask for him to be put out of his misery and save the money, he will not be rehabilitated, if he will not even start by speaking. He is a toasted dog!
the " uva system is the devil "posts do truly crack me up .....
Ms. Stuart --
In your story on 5/10 you wrote:
"Whether Love will prevail in either of her suits remains to be seen– and likely will remain unknown for years. Huguely is due to be sentenced on August 30, and the civil cases can't begin until the criminal process is complete."
Now you are writing that that the Love's suit against Huguely is indeed active. Hmmmmm.
Mr. Heilberg -- if Huguley fails to answer or otherwise respond, couldn't the Loves seek a default judgment rather than filing for summary judgment?
skin wrote: "The only person who could have prevented this murder was miss Love. This lawsuit is pointless."
How could she have prevented this murder, pray tell? Please don't go into the already overly analyzed, "well, she couldve done this" or "she should've done that" rubbish. As stated many times before, the lacrosse community is tight at schools like UVA and a comfort zone, if you like, is formed within these cliques. Unfortunately, the excuse "oh, I was drunk" still is widely accepted as an excuse for troublesome behavior
Ya gotta wonder if some of the regular posters here have a separate existence apart from their hatred of UVA. Oh well, I guess that hate gives some purpose to their lives.
Carrboro Pete: I, for one, have no hatred of UVA. I'm just fascinated by this case but that's just me.
Michael Sutton you make me gag.
Gallipoli - I wasn't focused on your messages, which make sense, even though I may disagree sometimes.
I'm just surprised at the irrational hatred of UVA that I've seen in the threads about this case, and just about every othe Hook article that even obliquely touches UVA. There are a few, like Mr. Sutton, that talk about UVA as if it were run by Nazis, instead of being an organization that students from all over the country wish they could attend. UVA certainly doesn't do everything right, but I can't think of any institution that does.
I've never been a "love it or leave it" person, but I can't imagine why the Suttons of the world would live in a small town when they hate the dominant institution so much. There must be many places where they would feel more at home.
Carrboro: I suppose it's the age-old "townie" vs. "student" thing. While at Skidmore, the local population of Saratoga called us "Skiddies." UVA is not all about lacrosse, quite the contrary, it's about education.
ANyway, I don't see how suing Huguely, the Commonwealth, or the university for that matter will change anything. The suit against Huguely I partially get but not for $30 million because, I don't think realistically the Love's would ever see a dime of it if the suit was settled.
A criminal appeal of the findings and actions of the Judge, Attorneys and jury is just that. A review of a proceeding that is complete.
He is not on trial, that is over, the proceedings that are in the past are done. He can be compelled to take an oath and be questioned.
He can not say I am appealling and thus take the 5th, well he can, but no judge in a civil suite will allow him to not answer most of the questions. What do some fear?
I do not hate UVA, I have been on record that we were going to send a family member there. We would have, if her residence which was split between Virgina and another state had allowed for in state tuition.
What I write and some just read past is that the fine graduates and admin should cooperate and allow for all to be deposed. Is it not the truth that maters. If the coach knowingly testifies with advice from attorneys, then if he knew zero, fine!
Then the assistant coaches, advisers and drug testing personnel should answer all questions honestly.
The people that I know that have degrees from UVA are all for openess. Why do so many say we don't want to hear anything, go away?
Well, I hope the Love's never go away and they find the truth. If George's actions, REAL grades, drug test, and his follwing the honesty policy then fine. If tje coaching staff was intemidated by George's so called dad or feared of not getting donations then we need to know.
I would like for UVA to become the example of what should be done, put the sudents first and bite the bullet. Things can change, but not if people put their heads in the sand.
Wake up, why not let the court system work? You do realise that UVA is the best State instituion for legal students. Wouldn't it be nice to see a school say were are going to review, cooperate, pay if a judgement is rendered and if not- still improve the things that can easiely be done.
Ms Love was a student, do you forget? Or do some think a woman is not as important?
They Loves lost their daughter, while the insitution was on watch. I see it as justce, seems some fear the truth! Truth is Beauty. UVA is ugly, work for the things that allow the beauty to come back, start with the truth!
God some of you who attack yeardley or mrs love are UGLY people
God forbid you ever lose a child asleep in bed with her brain being pushed to the back of her skull
Have some compassion
The land on coaches daughter was attacked by George
A Washington and lee Lexington, va was so violently attacked by George it took mace after he wrestled her to the ground
He attacked and hurt a sleeping lacrosse player and beat up a uva tennis player
The loves want to know the details of these events
Why after all these incidents didn't mart sanson or his stupid aunt Alina sanson stop him
Why didn't his coach report him
The land on coach was obviously so scared of georges rage after his daughter was attacked he did nothing!
I hope the loves depose george, his mother mart sanson Murphy, his aunt Alina sanson massaro and the DUI dater George huguely
I hope they depose the Landon high school coach whose daughter was attacked by George
I hope they depose the tennis player who was attacked by George
And the Lexington, va policewoman attacked by him etc.....
Caroline and Yeardleymurdered: Clearly this George was no saint nor was he able to beat the dragon: the one inside of him. Now, with some penitence he may be able to do so.
Start now! Not because of public opinion, not for PR. Not because you have to!
Do it UVA because it the right hing to do! Know one need a degree, no one needs privlage, no one needs the history of Jefferson to know what the right thing is!
Give them every Penny now, everything they ask for. Change the policy becaouse you know by GOD, that it is the right thing to do!
Just do it!
Turn the page and start a new chapter!
If George shows no remorse, do chose to do the same!
Do it because it is right! To the new President, you know damn well it is the right thing to do. No matter what it coist, becouse either your an educator, mentor or your the biggest slime on this Earth! Sleep well and may you see as you near the end of your life that you could have helped and damn the advisors. Be a person that has morals and not thrive on on your position. Then maybe, all of the students will be more than passing test, they will be real contributors to a better life for those in grade school now. The branch is there, grab it!
Michael; you protest too much methinks and perhaps need to put the bottle down given your butchery of words, their meaning, grammar, spelling, tense, and overall mockery of the English language that you have managed to perfect in your most recent post.*Yawn* Good night, y'all!
If you roll the dice, watch it unfold, the pictures, the recruitment, the very fine LAX players that you turned your back on. Watch it on network TV, cable around the clock. See the pitcures, hear the stories for every potential sudent and their parents to see and live on U-Tube forever. Roll the dice.
Every incident, every coach being interviewd, their children watching. You hiding in your palace.
You do the right thing, I hope they depose 1,000 people if things look so rosey for you, I pray they file in Fedearl Court. You take state funds, you can't hide ask for a change of venue. Just try to cover up, try to purjur your self. You will be in nice place.
This ain't play time! The world deals blows, this is real and there are plenty that simply say, pay them every penny, fire everyone that contributed! Change the policy. It is not a right to go to UVA, it is not a right to get a scholorship, drug test the scholorship people as condition of attendance. If they don't like let them go to Tech. Random test, and find out about the abuses and threatening of women. Kill the system, let the state investigate evrey case!
Your edowmnet is public, lets put that on display and every single donation from the wekk after her death. It is all public, baby!
If you save one or two lives, you still owe a billion dollars!
Maybe you can see how it is to tell your staff we have to cut your salary, no new tenor. Oh, so bad! Get real we are dealing with that every day.
Ask a jury to understand that your 600,000.00 salary and benifits may be cut to 550,000.00. I am sure those jury members and the American public will give you mercy, like George gave Ms Love!
A billion sounds good if you wager.
To sit on a jury, noone has to spell correctly, no one has to undrstand what LAX is, all they have to do, is listen to what we know is a horror story!
Me thinks you chase the dragon, is that a yawn or a nod?
I spell the same way a lot of non UVA Grads spell. And see, thats the beauty. As you nod off I hope all UVA people are lulled to sleep, what is writen is for reason!
Was it MURDER or MURRDER!
Is it a right, or did I write. Tisk tisk, the ones think they are superior, often find they have been had!
Michael,
"Your bait of falsehood take this carp of truth,
And thus do we of wisdom reach,
With windlasses and with assays of bias,
By indirections find directions out;
So by my former lecture and advice
Shall you my son. You have me, have you not?"
Mike,
Your boring. Night night, don't let the frat bugs bite...
Re: UVA haters
I rest my case
Wipe the foam off your mouth Mr. Sutton.
Michael Kudos
i went to UVA and think what they did to Yeardley and how they protected GEORGEY was disgusting
My son was on the lacrosse team and even he believes Georgey was protected
not every lacrosse player defends George
most think the coach shoudl have done something
the money that the sanson /huguelys gave was too attractive so they turned a blind eye
yeardley had no father so they chose deep pockets to protect
Duke -- interesting perspective. Any specific details on the donations you allege?
My sympathies to your son. I am sure it is hard for the players. The anger has been exhibited on this board from time to time, but they need to remember, they are not to blame. Sure, there are a lot of could haves, what ifs, etc., but the blame lies with GH. Trying to shift it to Starsia, et al., will not make the kids feel any better over time.
Speculation and finger-pointing at who or what could've prevented this from happening is getting monotonous. I think it will be more clear when Huguely takes the stand and we hear his testimony.
P.S. - Duke,
Yeardley's father is dead but he did leave the family with a large sum of money.
So now an observer is a shrink?
"Will not make the KIDS feel any better". Get real, What the young adults and young women is to know all of the truth, period. What the student athelets and future student body needs is an example of how to deal with life once they leave UVA.
Well over 95 % of the students will overcome the damage becouse they have gone to a good school with students and teachers that want to make this world a better place. It is not I, but in addition to the one young person confiding in his parent manu others KNOW that in fact it could have been dealt with before hand.
All that was needed was to throw Geory out of school. It is no right to attend UVA, do you get that? Can you observe that he should not have been on campus, traveling with the team. Had he after being kicked out kept a residence near by and killed her, then and only then would anything you state be true.
If the someone on the coaching staff didn't know, they should have. Correct it for the future. Its a school, ever hear of pop qwizes. Well pop the drug test! They have a vested intrest, it is not an invasion of privacy. Insurance companies should insist and be do background checks on "ARREST".
If the anuone on the coaching staff did know, then they should go public, tell their story and resign. American people will forgive in time for mistakes. But first own them!
Even the pro- coaching staff peoples comments are making it clear that the civil suite will be useful.
Where does the buck stop, standuup and say UVA, we put the students first! Say, we will not ever let his happen again! Do not say, hey Wham Bam thank you Mam to Ms. Love's family. Its as if they are saying, not our problem, boys will be boys.
Have you ever oberved a woman beaten to near death or one that did die!
I suggest you observe what happens in such cases, then ask, How does a coaches loss of this job compare to the horror of what happened by a UVA student on a UVA team to a UVA woman!
Have you OBSERVED the honor code? Well why have one, that in itself sets the suite in motion! UVA cannot have it both ways! as I told YOU before observe and see who is right. You think this case if not settled befor hand will not see the light of day, get real.
Hope for a sealed judgement in money and an unsealed written document as to an apology and actions to be taking against some one in the admin or staff! New policies to be inacted!
If not, it will go to court and you can observe a University fatally wounded! Bank on it!
Cut and pasted:
An Observer May 22nd, 2012 | 8:16am
Ms. Stuart --
In your story on 5/10 you wrote:
"Whether Love will prevail in either of her suits remains to be seen– and likely will remain unknown for years. Huguely is due to be sentenced on August 30, and the civil cases can't begin until the criminal process is complete."
"Now you are writing that that the Love's suit against Huguely is indeed active. Hmmmmm.
Mr. Heilberg -- if Huguley fails to answer or otherwise respond, couldn't the Loves seek a default judgment rather than filing for summary judgment?"
Now see this is the absurd!
Courteney Stuart is a very fine reporter, perhaps she assume that even "AN Observer" would read the words in context. She is accurate, if you read criminal process, well does she state appeals? Years, she is being realistic due to past stonewalling.
You claim to observe, but seems you pick and choose. Courteney Stuart quotes the legal advisor. Hawes, is not so active in this single article nor is the other fine reporter.
Your beef seems to be with The Hook, and used to be me! Lisa, Courteney and Hawes have proven with articles that you An Observer ain't going to be nothing but a nat in the room. But, you if you truely observe allow you to print without responce. Now seee, they use their real names, they deal with advertisers and the big UVA. Their honesty surely would seem to be NOT so wisw with UVA's clout.
But. I: fear no one but a judge in a US court that says I am out of line. Has never happend in 33 years. I do respect judges! It is what this country laid out as the 3rd branch to offer the balance of power. You an observer, speak in single lines!
I only ask for the the truth in a civilized court room with the un-classified 4th branch, that cannot be Goverment, the free- press. The real press! Not bloogers.
So not to entertain but as a point of fact, you don't know crap!
Your not a shrink, if you are an Attorney use your real name, and I will go to the Board!
You know, or you should observe dispensing legal opinins with out written credetions is lets say, a crime!
So there is nothing wrong with this article, it does not please any side to the fullest. It opens discussion, and that is welcome. But I am tired of your claim to be an athority! You are not.
I am citizen with an opinion, I am not an Attorney! YOU THINK Courteney Stuart is to blame for some how taking a side, she has not!
SO, if you are a lrgal expert, use your real name! Or hide under the grace that The Hook staff allows. I choose to use my own name! So, I will say it, my words, not The Hooks, your a coward! in my citzen's opinion. I followed Courteney Stuart 6 years ago in fantic ieces. I have spoken in person to Lisa and seen Hawes, would not dare introduce my self. But, he and I TRELY OBserved a case's final outcome. All you need to do is look a time stamps.
I have been the recpient of Hawes and Stuart's dressing down. Guess what, I don't agree with them on many things. They know me, thay know who I am. there person opinions of me are for them.
BUT! I have been vetted! I have never ever used a e-mail address or the name S. Jones, Scratch Jones or M Sutton or a shortend version!
Attacking Courteney Stuart, is like shooting the messenger! Claiming that Hawes is remature is non=scense. Lisa, reports!
So, argue the merrits of the validity of the law suite. Donot claim to be an expert. I am , have been reconized as a legal expert on juries and witness vetting. I am not an attorney, not a shrink and I do not take payments!
What I do, is exercise my freedom with my real name to speak as the Vets of all the wars allowed me!
I know Jefferson used other names, but I live to higher standard, have you ever seen the dog tags of vet, that said anonomus serial Number XXX died in honor to defend his or her country, The United States of America!
I know waht porn is when I see it! I know when a State Institution is at fault when I see it! I have seen batterd women and held them! It is not the same as a Coach losing his six figure pay!
For anyone?
How can UVA whose standards are cliamed to be the highest, allow such an idiot to pass the intrance exam, pass the first semester and on and on?
Now please, anyone try to explain why some so dumb, could ever attened that coolege, while highschool grads with 4.0 and extra credit be denied/
Look at the idiot and then just ask the simple question, is UVA a institution of higher learning?
Real, just without the proven murder, how did he remain in school?
Repeat, how?
Again, how?
Can we see his his essays, can we see his attendance, can we see his grades, can we see his thesis?
Just for a moment, if you have a child now in hunior high school that is going to apply to UVA, how, just simple logic, how can that ass [ metioned the bible] hole get passing grades for 3 years/
Now, regardles of the coaches, how do you expalin it?
Often thesis are printed, as fact they are reconcngnized as coprighted original materal, subject to legal review of plagerism [ sorry UVA if you knoe exactly the 3 documents I am talking about fabricated by either your staff or over looked}}.
Now please explain it to me, how with the moneys he recievied and books and food, that would have allowed 4 or more desrving 4.0 students to attend with very limited scholorships.
Is this what UVA is about?
Note: a not proven just possible with no proof! I am saying what if, his thesis was how to read a PDR, woe a female athelite who who he knows is has weeknesss.
Now if that was his his thesis, then he gets a 4.o becouse he set up the expirment, enjoyed the flesh and then did , probovly got points in his club for complteting the so called game.
And, then their 4 real 4.0 students that not get in to UVA.
That wa for a moment, then look at what he did, took out another student. I do not know he took a Act or what test, but I would like to see the score and his finger prints on the papers. Becouse, simple 6th grade math tells you, the lost of one adult, with an IQ of say 90 [George] and the lose of Ms Love in a mathametical investment proves that UVA Admins should stick to liberal arts not anything else.
It is insane that he with the family money displaced so many young minds that could have thrived, been so grateful and really changed this world. But, no. UVA wanted a LAX player!
It is not rocket science!
It is evil!
Pleae let ABC, and when the time is right cover this murder! Put the real faces on, not cable, but on network. Please let them show some pictures of Ms. Love with out the Ass. Tell of her desires and show, hopefully at the time of airing that UVA has not just changed, but has become the groud breaking insitution that moves foward, with flat out saying, you come here to learn, period! You play sports as a metofor to live your life.
There is hope, there is LOVE!
Why no LOVE bands on every sports teams jersy?
Why not at homecoming have LOVE as the theme, the Beatles, All you need..
Why not move not just ahead, but set an example that the student really is the first and most important part of being a student athlet.
Could you imagine, the students of 4.0's their parents, saying go there, they leraned, now they are focused. Telling their sons and daughters, not like American Pie, but telling them this is a real school! You will be tested for the privlage of attending. But, your views,ecomic status, development, social, race, ethnicity, religion and lack of phsical prownes well never ever influnce your grades or education.
Seems like a dream?
Well, I want our youth to dream, I want us that are older to allow them to have a chance to see these dreams come true!
UVA, its THE HOOK!
Is this just a pipe dream?
You know, Court, Hawes, Lisa will take your calls.
If not, call Geroge at ABC, I am sure he will fit you in!
It would be nice to see say 3 future Presidents of the United States, hopefulluy two females be from UVA. Dreams, well the best thing UVA could ever do, is thrive with such dreams, but recongnize the past!
There is hope, hope is real. The question is, is UVA worthy? Are a few, that I know want to do the right thing, will they speak out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwi8m4SIejE
Now I use my real name, and Hawes knows it, as much as anyone can, I will say this video represents what Dreams can do! No mater who, what your opinion is. UVA and all need to see that something good come out of tragedy.
It is Van Halen, it is our USA Navy, It is Meomoral Day and I hope on this, all with different onions can come to gether and and make our drems come true
An Oberver, here is an olive branch, UVA, I love you! The Love Family maybe we can make the world a little better, not much but a start. All starts with common dreams, fears, and un equal pain!
To those, that think I am a hater, only this I will share, my Father, the Attorney passed two months ago, he was a 1st class sonar man, my mom has lukiemia. I do not ask for any pitty, becouse I know for sure some certainly have lost younger loved ones. But, its is memorial Weekend!
I cannot imagine anyone having a prblem with this Blue Angles video.
May God Bless us all, and thank God for us all being allowed to speak, print and thrive!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwi8m4SIejE
AND YES, even George, if you realy want to change, really, dreams can true! Just work at it, starting today!
I know it seems I am spewing, but when I say I love UVA, there is reason. Twins, 6 years old, the apple of daay's eye 9. When I was young, My Dad , his two best friends. Two, Vandy, the other Harvard. My mentors. I worked with them in civil rights case from age 8. All 3, said UVA was the best public place of SouthernLearning. See, they had the GI bill and very good entrance scores.
I had schollorships to UCLA, and many others! Vandy and Harvard for fressmen was something I could have done, with no GI bill would have brokken the bank for my siblings. UVA was what i wanted, the History, the campus. Well I did ok, spent my time at UCLA, and Harvard.
Now twins 6 years old, and an amazing 9 year old girl going on 20. Growing up faster than bamboo! When she was born, we have roots in UVA, pay taxes. Thought of leaving the Hollywood Hills for her to go to UVA!
We are not rich at all. Everymonth we melt down. UVA was something I believed in. Started spending time in C'ville more and more. Loved it.
It will always be her choice, Vandy, just too much money, Haarvard, maybe Law School, but she has not made a choice on what she wants to do. Who knows, she may want to be the best rock star. It's her choice, but UVA was perhaps me living through her. I wanted her to see all that UVA gad.
Now, it is just tarnished, real bad! Nothing to do with that other thing. Just the Love Murdr and brought back all of the articles that Court had written about! I know you think I am hater, who knows you may think Court is? Can't and she don't need me for speak for her. But, I just can't trust UVA with the apple of daddy's eye anymore.
They could make changes! But they want as was seen with the Love case. It is so sad, to know that this institution that my Dad, God Father and their best Friend has refused to address this properly. Ther is hope, she is 9. Who knows she may want to go UC Santa Barbra and paint. But, I wish I could take to the campus and say, here is the school I your Grand dady and your uncles thought would be a great place.
If UVA thinks that this is just going to pass, they will be like Pontiac! great memories and collector's items.
Just settle the case and be that University thaat Vandy, Harvard and Standford admired! Just do what you know it is right!
Women, are smarter than us men, they will represent this contry! It is not about them feeling sfe, it is about them being equal, hearing them, not dismiising the sexual and sometime just plain power trips.
The 3 of mine, unlesss some drastic, heart fealt changes, with follow ups will never enter the State of Virgina. We will gaze at it from Bristol and DC.
Call me UVA hater all you want, but to me, for the future of the women and me that will make a difference, it is me being sad, and pitty for all of you!
It is the end, maybe all of the military bases will be moved to Sc, or Boston when a woman becomes President. A slow death, grow baccy. Is that what you want?
Just wake the F_ck UP! Women don't want special attention, they want equal attention, you don't go in the voting both with them. Women are the greatestthing on this earth, time to address that UVA, and not with a Honor Code!
Peace out!
I know it seems I am spewing, but when I say I love UVA, there is a reason. Twins, 6 years old, the apple of daad''s eye 9. When I was young, My Dad , his two best friends. Two, Vandy, the other Harvard. My mentors. I worked with them in civil rights cases and murder cases from age 8. All 3, said UVA was the best public place of Southern Learning. See, they had the GI bill and very good entrance scores.
I had schollorships to UCLA, and many others! Vandy and Harvard for freshmen was something I could have done, with no GI bill would have brokken the bank for my siblings. UVA was what I wanted, the History, the campus. Well I did ok, spent my time at UCLA, and Harvard.
Now twins 6 years old, and an amazing 9 year old girl going on 20. Growing up faster than bamboo! When she was born, we have roots in UVA, pay taxes. Thought of leaving the Hollywood Hills for her to go to UVA!
We are not rich at all. Every month we melt down. I volenteer and try to pick without sacrifing the kids possibilitis. They undderstand as much as they can. UVA was something I believed in. Started spending time in C'ville more and more. Loved it.
It will always be her choice, Vandy, just too much money, Harvard, maybe Law School, but she has not made a choice on what she wants to do. Who knows, she may want to be the best rock star. It's her choice, but UVA was perhaps me living through her. I wanted her to see all that UVA feeling that oozes from just walking on the campus.
Now, it is just tarnished, real bad! Nothing to do with that other thing. Just the Love Murder and brought back all of the articles that Court had written about! I know you think I am hater, who knows you may think Court is? Can't and she don't need me for speak for her. But, I just can't trust UVA with the apple of daddy's eye anymore.
They could make changes! But they will not as was seen with the Love case. It is so sad, to know that this institution that my Dad, God Father and their best Friend that UVA has refused to address this properly. Theer is hope, she is 9. Who knows she may want to go UC Santa Barbra and paint. But, I wish I could take her to the campus and say, here is the school I your Grand dady and your uncles thought would be a great place.
If UVA thinks that this is just going to pass, they will be like Pontiac! great memories and collector's items.
Just settle the case and be that University that Vandy, Harvard and Standford admired! Just do what you know it is right!
Women, are smarter than us men, they will represent this country! It is not about them feeling special, it is about them being equal, hearing them, not dismiising the sexual and sometime just plain power trips.
The 3 of mine, unlesss some drastic, heart fealt changes take place, with follow ups will never enter the State of Virgina. We will gaze at it from Bristol and DC.
Call me a UVA hater all you want, but to me, for the future of the women and men that will make a difference, it is me being sad, and pitty for all of you!
It is the end, maybe all of the military bases will be moved to SC, or Boston when a woman becomes President. A slow death, grow baccy. Is that what you want?
Just wake the F_ck UP! Women don't want special attention, they want equal attention, you don't go in the voting both with them. Women are the greatest tthing on this earth, time to address that UVA, and not with a Honor Code!
Peace out!
I know it seems I am spewing, but when I say I love UVA, there is a reason. Twins, 6 years old, the apple of daddy''s eye 9. When I was young, My Dad , his two best friends. Two, Vandy, the other Harvard. My mentors. I worked with them in civil rights cases and murder cases from age 8. All 3, said UVA was the best public place of Southern Learning. See, they had the GI bill and very good entrance scores.
I had schollorships to UCLA, and many others! Vandy and Harvard for freshmen was something I could have done, with no GI bill would have brokken the bank for my siblings. UVA was what I wanted, the History, the campus. Well I did ok, spent my time at UCLA, and Harvard.
Now twins 6 years old, and an amazing 9 year old girl going on 20. Growing up faster than bamboo! When she was born, we have roots in UVA, pay taxes. Thought of leaving the Hollywood Hills for her to go to UVA!
We are not rich at all. Every month we melt down. I volunteer as that I am from Tenn.and try to pick without sacrifing the kids possibilities. They understand as much as they can. UVA was something I believed in. Started spending time in C'ville more and more. Loved it.
It will always be her choice, Vandy, just too much money, Harvard, maybe Law School, but she has not made a choice on what she wants to do. Who knows, she may want to be the best rock star. It's her choice, but UVA was perhaps me living through her. I wanted her to see all that UVA feeling that oozes from just walking on the campus.
Now, it is just tarnished, real bad! Nothing to do with that other thing. Just the Love Murder and brought back all of the articles that Court had written about! I know you think I am hater, who knows you may think Court is? Can't and she don't need me for speak for her. But, I just can't trust UVA with the apple of daddy's eye anymore.
They could make changes! But they will not as was seen with the Love case. It is so sad, to know that this institution that my Dad, God Father and their best Friend that UVA has refused to address this properly. Theer is hope, she is 9. Who knows she may want to go UC Santa Barbra and paint. But, I wish I could take her to the campus and say, here is the school I,your Grand daddy and your uncles thought would be a great place for a young bright woman to learn and make the world better, sky is the limit.
If UVA thinks that this is just going to pass, they will be like Pontiac! great memories and collector's items.
Just settle the case and be that University that Vandy, Harvard and Standford admired! Just do what you know , it is right!
Women, are smarter than us men, they will represent this country! It is not about them feeling special, it is about them being equal, hearing them, not dismiising the sexual and sometime just plain power trips.
The 3 of mine, unlesss some drastic, heart felt changes take place, with follow ups will never enter the State of Virgina. We will gaze at it from Bristol and DC.
Call me a UVA hater all you want, but to me, for the future of the women and men that will make a difference, it is me being sad, and pitty for all of you!
It is the end, maybe all of the military bases will be moved to SC, or Boston when a woman becomes President. A slow death, grow baccy. Is that what you want?
Just wake the F_ck UP! Women don't want special attention, they want equal attention, you don't go in the voting both with them. Women are the greatest tthing on this earth, time to address that UVA, and not with a Honor Code!
Peace out!
Funny, maybe three times is a charm!
Anyway, I don't hate, If you had a mother or father, son or daughter in any war. Grand parents, shuldren, brothers, sister, cousins or girl friends, the boy friend that honored our contry. Just remember Freedom is not Free!
Thank you THE HOOK! Becouse as much as I disagree sometimes, my daddy faught for the right of me equaily with those with opposing views to voice them!
Have a great weekend, thanks Court, Hawes, Lisa, all of the staff and any reader. Just try to love your special ones and remember those that have passed on! Hope this doesn't show up 3 times! First time in 7 years I am not sailing, youngest is sick. But she will be ok, Love!
Michael,
One word: Spellcheck. Three more words: Get a life.
Given the hour of your posts, it is apparent that you are taking this case way too personally and using this platform as your own soapbox. Yes, the circumstances surrounding this trial are horrendous and disturbing but I think you overlook the fact that this sort of thing happens all the time on all college campuses, not just UVA. Should Virginia Tech be sued for the Cho murder rampage?
No, as there was a professor at Virginia Tech who saw warning signs in Cho's writing but failed to report it in fear of being potentially sued by Cho for infringing on his rights as a legal adult. My point is that college students are adults and need to be held accountable for their own actions on or off campus. Faculty and staff at the collegiate level are not babysitters.
Happy Memorial Day.
Wow, did not realize "spell check" was allowed in a sit down essay in public universities { maybe UVA does allow that for Athletics, is that what you are opening the door for?}, an ACT or entrance exam. See I cored in the 100th percentile on my ACT, fact! No go figure.
Funny you bring up Tech, well what happened was horrible. But you need to read a little more as to law-suites and Federal Fines anf much more.
See, I live a world where if one opens the door, I walk in. Virgina Tech in my opinion could not of ever been held accountable for the first 2 victims. See, I know someone was that there and she was on CNN that day. She came home and we talked for months. Even my friend Kenny for UVA knows.
But, what Tech did wrong was not use the tool that were available to them to PREVENT the onslaught. Much as UVA has done, The Hook has countless stories in the past 10 years. UVA circled the wagons and that is where any attorney can take the lack of a actions, and actions to sweep under the rug can be taken to not just negligence, but with a term you I am sure you have never heard. It is Latin and intent to cause harm, is implied when authority allows the policy or actions to rest as simple negligence.
Get back to me on what it means, but I suggest you read of the deaths of NAZI war criminals. Now, I am not calling anyone at UVA or Tech a NAZI. But the precedent is there, that negligence does carry the weight of intent when a institution neglects any portion of their members of society.
Ms. Loves family is far from seeking notoriety. They are far from being greedy or selfish. They did not hire a PR firm, set up a PR disaster and blame every single man that ever walked through, lived in, had ancestors from C'ville.
Sutton: you are a loser
I like the get a life comment, wouldn't be nice for Ms Love to have one.
Well if was a loser, why do you waste your time. Distracting from UVA maybe?
I don't go away, never will! So get used to it!
Ms Love may have lost her life to a UVA ordained GOD!
She is not going away either, get use to it!
It is Jorge that is not responding as in the article, me I am responding. UVA is not! Oh what will come out? More and more, see Courtney is not going to reveal sources, I am not going to tell you what I know. But, just as she can write, so can I. Where there is smoke there is fire, There is fire and UVA knows it!
The Love family will do just fine, they are not on a fishing expedition at all. They know, do you want to know and see it? Do you want to see if it holds the standards of punitive damages?
Or do you want just sit there with some anonymous name and call me Michael Sutton a loser?
Print your name, you sorry loser!
Now read what is coming from The Hook, maybe later rather sooner with the stonewalling from the UVA attorneys, but when it comes, sit back and watch it explode!
I know what I know!
Ms Love's family and Attorneys are very capable of court room proceedings.
For me, your chum to draw out the sharks. I can fish any where I want, I have no, none correspondence with the Loves at all.
UVA is on trial, maybe civil up to now. But what I do know, if and when, then I must report if UVA personnel lie under oath. But what I know is from research, plenty of research and The Hook has the legal ability to do what I cannot. Ms love's family doesn't need me. if can find it they cant too!Lets see UVA take the 5th! Would that be sweet!
I am just a citizen that uses his real name and welcomes UVA to come after me! Let them open this Pandora's box, because other research on another case has real teeth that I could sue for damages!!
Just let their Love open the door to something so.... well that from me would much to vulgar display of power at the moment. But all in time!
The Hook will look at all aspects, land deals, foreclosures, past secret meetings already touched upon in other case. But with review of this, The Hook may just see some things in brighter light!
I am looser, funny. You could only dream to live how I do and afford to volunteer for just causes!
I live for court rooms and throwing salt on slugs. get joy out of it. So feed me!
Women are not to be beaten, they are not objects, they are not toys for UVA to play with or use as bait to get recruits! Do you understand loser? They are to be raped and have secret meetings from men with ties to power decide the merits. They should never be force to complete a degree walking on a campus with the rapist smirking as they walk by. AND they certainly should not be beaten to death!
So, I am loser? Get real! UVA admin and coaches and some Heath Professionals are more than losers! They are getting paid to destroy lives!
Sutton: martyrdom doesn't become you.
A so called Saint and Dragon:
NO Quarter!
Do the professors, their children, the coaches,students, those think about it, their parents, admin. The President and those like you listen to Zeppelin?
Well I hope every one be required to listen!
Ms Love lived this, and we have news that must get trough.... He does not talk....
Maybe the children will listen and tell the boosters and the staff. Ms Love was murdered and blood is on their hands!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-LDQVrDUY
What in God's name does LeD Zeppelin have to do with it? Last I read, Huguely was more into Bob Marley and the Grateful Dead. Maybe that night, he decided to listen to Slayer or Exodus. Who can know? What is your point Sutton? Are trying to subtly suggest that the proletariat should rise up and revolt against the preppie establishment at universities nationwide?
I'm guessing you take your meals with some fava beans and nice Chianti...
Sutton, you are a laff riot. Your rhetorical spew rolls around and around like a Moebius loop. Stop smoking that fiberglass insulation, sonny.
I love how Sutton mispelled "through" as "trough." Accidental irony? Place your snout back in it Mikey.
That meal would be for George, shoved with a full fist.
No Quarter is for UVA, aren't you a saint and dragon?
Seems Georgy boys coaches were more into " Sargent Shultz, I know nothing I see nothing!"
I prefer Merlot from California, thank you! The professors should should look at their blood children and ask how could they support a system that is broken.
Zeppelin is not to be mentioned with any thing you suggest, Georgy boy wouldn't understand anything but to know not to bite the hand that fist him, get it?
Sounds crude doesn't St. well wait till you've seen the photos of what your cunting boy did to that young woman in her bedroom! Life ain't all Bob Marley, life can be hell, just ask Ms. Love's mother!
No pity for the small part of UVA that has allowed the rapes and beatings to go on!
If they followed a honor code they would just leave! No one is going to kill them and bash their brains in, they will find work. So be it! Spare the large part of UVA that is good! Let them rise up and run the scum out of town, or watch it crash and burn!
She was beaten to death! By a UVA man that was given privilege and you compare this to fiction? This really happened. He did it, no DNA to ever suggest that someone else did it, get it!
Your argument is flawed at its inception. You have no argument! You attack me as UVA attacks the women that have been raped for years!
Let all of you argue till the cows come home! You are in denial, fix the system!
Pay the family! Fire the whole damn staff and watch the world rejoice to see a University said student's first!
Your so damn blind you cannot see what is right in front of you!
Do you want to see the list of women raped at UVA going back to the 70's. Do you have any idea? Do you read?
This is a repetitive problem condoned by those in power! It will be proved! Cut the bastards that have hidden this. I have more respect for the Catholic church, they finally bent over, is UVA to high and mighty to cut the bad apples now!
So do you think well it is different, those were boys so they should be punished, and that because women are your damn sex slaves they do not count as much. Do you see the argument? It belongs in Federal Court because it is systematic violation of civil rights based on the sex of those abused! Classic civil-rights ass hole!
No one can treat women like trash, we fought that a long time ago! Do you want me to show you how it can be done and how the federal Court can dismantle the University. I can present it, believe me, if I can do it: their are plenty that will do it just to spit in eye of the women beaters supported by an institution for decades!
UVA needs to stop at this minute and change at this moment! Change course! Lick their wounds and start a new chapter now!
Fire them, all of them!
Thats my opinion, and use of graphic terms, need to be put in context of the graphic beating and murder, hope The Hook, lets it stand.
Sutton, I'm no saint, no dragon, but I am not mentally disturbed to the degree that this case has obviously allowed you to be. Next you're going to tell us that in a former life you defeated Saladin in the Crusades all for the name of God and, dare I say, Love. I would understand your anger over this case if, per se, you were actually a close personal friend of the Love family or a relative but I'm thinking that this is not the case.
Have you considered managing your own blog? Blogs are great because you can spew all the stark nonsense you want about your views of the world. Who knows? Perhaps you'll attract some disciples who believe your lengthy sermons and appreciate your butchery of the English language. Give it a shot.
Otherwise, I'm hoping the Hook will publish an article relating to the recent developments in the Huguely camp where his lawyers are requesting a re-trial. This should be interesting.
One more final thought: I don't know how many of you on this have actually read the transcript of Huguely's interrogation but based on it there is no doubt in my mind that he had any intention of killing Love. Yes, his drinking was out of control and clearly he did not know his strength. He even admitted that, in foggy retrospect, going to Love's flat in the inebriated state he was in was not a "good idea." Perhaps, he did then, in fact, know his strength and was scared of himself. Whatever the case maybe, I do not believe that George was/is a calculating killer. Most criminal masterminds abstain from intoxicating substances. Then again, Michael, you know this as you sit in your mother's basement at the Sutton Hotel...
St George: Michael Sutton was “SJones” on all the old Morgan Harrington articles' comment sections. He now uses his real name because it was exposed on one of those articles, so now he calls others out to do the same. I’d tell you to go read some, but for some reason, (insert eye roll) all his comments are missing from the old Morgan Harrington articles. There are still copies, though. You can see his comments on some of the later ones, if so inclined. He uses “No Quarter” and that video link a lot. He has told everyone (and it is confirmed) he lives in California and Tennessee, so I tend to think he uses The Hook as a harmless place to vent anger, besides, who would pay attention to him in a LA paper? And, I think it might be more like a brother’s basement, not a mother’s; he is a lot older than you think, which he also revealed in a past comment. He is not a lawyer, by the way, by his own previous admission. But, best not to feed him because this is what happens. It tends to devolve.
You have no argument, just spew and my Mother is 1800 miles away. many know exactly where I live as does the VSP.. Hawes and many. Just may surprise you. But personal attacks aside. He was not conflicted of 1st degree murder! That is not on the table. No appeal for the judge making mistakes. So, thats half of you would like to take time.
This case is one of going on 88 for me, 4 others as we speak. Each one, has different merits, each one gets my full attention. perhaps you should research, well if not me than at least read The Hook going back prior to me ever commenting. See, how you and others spin it, Courtney and the legal adviser are well versed on the stonewalling. An observer used that to suggest inferior reporting, now in fairness that was not you. Requesting another trial is almost standard. Now, if you want to learn something, and not talking down, I would like to share something. there was a capitol case in another state, there was a middle aged black woman as the main witness. She is very comfortable with my use of the term of her being black. Upon the stand the two Prosecutors very similar to the recent trial in Florida confused her, that was fine. That was their job! See I worked as an consultant for free for the defense, but as I am sure you will point out this was not about me and I did have faith in my vetting of her. So, all confused she looks at the judge, the strict white judge! Says They are confusing me, do I have to draw you a "diaphragm". Now the White Prosecutors relaxed.
The judge gave here a white board and she drew a diagram so vivid it proved that that gun shot could not come from the accused. The judge asked any further questions, they snickered and said no. The Defense simple asked for the case to be dismissed, it was. The man went free!
Just understand, appeals are written by and reviewed by clerks. Testimony is not. Now the last thing UVA wants is to the parade of victims. It is only 30 million. Chicken squat.
I didn't just read the transcript, my team has it. Thanks to M.A.D.D, and appeals drinking is no defense. the prior actions of disdain for women, maybe younger pier presured male team members, and countless othere episodes showed compelling weight to 12 jury members.
So thrive on that, yes maybe George will say his Dad came into town and he did it, who knows. But this is for sure, UVA has a dog in this fight no pun to Michael Vick and i do know where he went. But, this case is so simple! Pay the family, fire the coaches, they can say they fell on their sword. All fine, but change the policy, give up LAX self imposed for two years and send all tutors, staff and admin to classes.
But, 30 million now, may be a billion in two years!
He nurdered her, he did it! The coahes had to know or refused to listen. There is just no way your going to win!
My team was the trial, Hawes knows why I was not there when the verdict came in. I even scooped him, but I did it on The Hook, so he got the scoop.
Slander me, call me a hater, thats what I do! Come after me, try to win as the team gets the results we worked for. I use my name, Rader and the FBI, LAPD once has to look at implied threats on me. But, hey, when I was 7 we had a KKK crosses put in our front yard! It comes with the cause! I am ACLU, and NRA alumni. Go figure. I want you to have that primal hate for me! I love it, me, its a passion, and you or no one will ever stop me from going what I do!
Our parents and grand parents did not fight wars so our most precious resource, women could be raped, beaten, emotional controlled and murdered, much less be labeled as crazies and denied their rights. If you think that, well, I pray for you bitch!
Dear Not this again,
Thank you for your intelligence, however, I have no desire to research what Mr. Sutton has posted past, present, and future under whatever alias he uses. Obviously, he uses this forum as his own personal audience and dodges the real point of it: analysis and discussion. I hate to make this analogy, but I will. Huguely is more glamorous than Casey Anthony in that he got caught, and, I dare say, confessed it not knowing what he had done.
People like Sutton, like to scapegoat people like Huguely because it is easy and George's background is enviable given the opportunities that most of us commoners would kill for. The fact that he messed his life up in a drunken fit is not uncommon. Let's not forget that Ted Kennedy got off free for Chappaquiddick, albeit a drunk driving accident, and people still to this day pull the "he's rich" card.
Is Huguely innocent? No. Does he deserve such ostracization? No. He is a 24 year old male who will regret this for the rest of his life. Painting him as a calculating killer and womanizer is not only ludicrous, but irresponsible. Does the Love family have a right to hearing his personal testimony in a civil trial? Absolutely.
I don't know the man personally, but after reading the transcript of his interview by police on that morning, I am confident that George wishes that he could revisit the evening, take it back, and explain what happened. Too many people on here tend to paint Huguely as the quintessential, elite, and pampered "jock." That may be, however, "jock" or not he is still a mortal and while what happened to Yeardley was horrid and unacceptable, George was not a psychotic. If anything, he suffers from pathological alcoholism when fueled with gladiator status on varsity teams at the collegiate level DOES effect the ego.
If anything positive comes out of this, George will repent and look into himself and realize that life is a gift and a fragile one at that. I'm sure he thinks of this everyday and wishes to God that he had made a different choice. Blame the parents all you want, that won't change anything. George was an adult, a Landon graduate, and a UVA student--a school founded by Thomas Jefferson, a staunch advocate of proper behavior and poise--he knew what he was. This case just illustrates the fact that there is a point when the partying needs to stop.
Just my $.02
St George: I am inclined to agree with you about Huguely. I am sure, in sobriety, what he did is a heavy burden to bear and he will bear it the rest of his life. Sadly, alcohol was the igniting factor in what happened that night. However, I also understand the Love’s suit against him, and, for the sake of what may come out during so, their suit against UVA. There are no winners here, and there never will be. The only good thing that may come from this is change.
You know, that actual is fine statement. I will not take any issue with parts, the whole of the statement speaks volumes. No ass kissing by me, just refreshing!
Well stated!
Both of you, well stated!
Not this again:
I am relieved to find a rational mind on this matter, constructive argument is what I think what The Hook provides unlike other forums (e.g. the Washington Post et al) that, if you read the comments there, are reminiscent of bile spewed by angry peasants during Revolutionary France.
With that said, yes change is needed but how? The United States' college experience is defined, socially, by excessive partying and outrageous behavior. Films like "Animal House," "PCU," "The Hangover," "Porky's," "Revenge of the Nerds," and countless others promote coed culture as one of sex, beer, and, well, school is just a resort providing the venue for these things to happen, I'm no puritan, in fact I had a great time my first four years at university: I was free, I met gorgeous women, drank, sometimes got high, and even did a little homework. The most important thing that I got out of it was a sense of my ownself.
Granted, I did not attend a Division 1 university but the partying was just as intense in certain circles. At no time did I ever hear or witness acts of violence on my campus. Then again, I was an art major so we rolled (yes, pun intended) a different way. The point is that if someone in a peergroup is out of control--whether it be drugs, alcohol, et al, his or her peers, as ADULTS, have an obligation to address it. Otherwise, they are not peers. In this age of internet socialization age-old duties that are required of true friendships have been nearly abandoned. We live in a selfish generation and it bothers me.
I think the change that might have the most effect is awareness. Educating students on what caused this horrific story may cause them to think twice about drinking to oblivion. Teaching them what they might do in situations such as this would be so beneficial. While it is true that many students do not want to intrude on a friend’s love life or their decisions, seeing the result of a love/hate relationship such as this, fueled by alcohol or drugs might make some realize that they have to ‘intrude’ to avoid these senseless tragedies. This story must be retold – constantly – to incoming students. They must see the reality of a situation such as this.
I agree that the technology makes it so easy to assume a distance in relationships, so much anonymity on the internet fosters that. They text rather than speak. It makes it easier to avoid becoming involved. There was a time when UVA was relatively safe – but that was years ago. As a woman, I think women need to learn the bad things ‘can happen to them’ and that they must take the steps necessary to stop them. Too many think it can’t happen to them until it does. There must be an awareness by women on campus that they have to be responsible to stay safe. Now, who is responsible for that awareness? I think UVA must make sure incoming students have some skills to deal with these situations, whether with an actual required class or a required orientation. I would much rather see students deal with an extra class than a traumatic event they will carry the rest of their lives.
Not just UVA. All campuses. Otherwise, right on.
Nor this, St and others.
I agree so much with what you say in the recent posts. An I agree it would be nice if all the other schools responded in the ways you two have laid out it is refreshing and a teaching moment to hear a woman's comments and I do see that you are realistic as far as educating the women as well.
Now will UVA do it? I wish they would. Maybe they would have to Grandfather current students, not sure. It sure would not be money unwisely spent, nor time wasted.
Maybe some parents and future possible students would go some where somewhere else. Small price to pay in my opinion. It is important that it not just be a PR campaign and I think the recent post indicate you will not get fooled.
Unfortunately, as was stated any personal addiction or institutional addiction needs to start with that person or institution. We can not make them repent, acknowledge the weakness. Weakness is human, it can be overcome with a lot of work and follow up.
As far as the man not speaking and UVA's silence, we all know they are both taking legal advise and that is best. But, each, George and UVA can say, thank you for your advise, we are going to start a change and we ask for your help as we struggle with these things. Thanks for the advise, but this is more important, I want to own up and try to move ahead.
Will they do it, I wish, but if not the Civil court system must be used. Now I do not expect any of to agree.
I am sure UVA's concern is, does this start 100s of other suites and claims.
Me personally because it was mentioned will state I do NOT think that the Harringtons have a case, just getting that out of the way, what I do think is that others may came forward, but unless there was a murder, rape or beating UVA would not be the subject as to a criminal case. Court neyhas laid it out, there is no limits on those cases, maybe non sexual assaults.
I have no idea what would make the Love's feel even a little better, I suspect the monetary terms would be crafted as to be sealed. But the institutional changes I hope would bring them some confidence that Ms Love's life was not ignored.
No need for me to repeat what I have stated about the level of no Quarter, as it stands now I firmly believe in it. But, I keep an open mind, believe it or not.
For UVA and George to do nothing, is not acceptance morally! In my opinion. I believe Court . Lisa and Hawes would be shocked to see this resolve in any speedy way. Who can blame them.
I will read, have for near a decade and speak up, when some throws stones I throw blocks. But after the last few days, I don't see anyone throwing anything but messages of hope.
Hope for a better world for students, hope that they will graduate and do a better job than we have. And yes, women's opinions on one side, the other, in-between should count more than mine. If they are mothers, daughters, orphaned, rich, poor, black, white or any other color. If they have ever attended college or not, you need to speak up even more.
Men, and I am one have not done such a good job have we?