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NEWS- Squad v. squad: Fire & Rescue vie to save time, lives


Published March 29, 2007 in issue 0613 of the Hook

Both organizations are dedicated to saving lives, and both say they don't want this issue to come across as a fight. But that's exactly what's happened.

When Charlottesville presented its proposed 2007-2008 budget of $123 million, almost $1 million was earmarked for two ambulances and eight emergency staffers to "supplement" the venerable Charlottesville Albemarle Rescue Squad.

What wasn't clear, until CARS president Larry Claytor called a press conference March 16, was that none of that money was actually going to CARS. Instead, the city wants to buy its own ambulances and hire its own staffers-- and then charge citizens $400 for ambulance service.

Response times are the reason Charlottesville Fire Department Chief Charles Werner and former chief/City Councilor Julian Taliaferro cite for pulling the City into the rescue squad business.

CARS has provided such service since 1960 with volunteers at no cost to the public.Werner and Taliaferro criticized CARS response rates.

"Why take 26 minutes to get up behind Venable School?" asks Taliaferro, who produces a list of CARS responses in excess of 10 minutes and blames some of them on people who "don't know the city and are getting lost."

"We respectfully disagree with that list," says Claytor. "We're doggone close to national standards," maintains Claytor. "We started getting bombarded with information from the city saying our response times are bad. Why are we being attacked?"

The national standard for emergency response is four minutes for basic life support and eight minutes for advanced life support. 

"You cannot cover the city of Charlottesville adequately from one location," says Taliaferro. "Even the fire department response times have gone up."

Werner and Taliaferro suggest that CARS is in denial. "Larry Claytor says there's  no response time problem," says Werner. "Yet in a letter to [Albemarle] county, he's saying there is a problem. The fact they have three county medics there indicates there is a problem."

Albemarle County assigns three people to CARS during daytime hours when volunteers are likely to be at their day jobs. The county also contributes over $150,000 to CARS, says Albemarle Fire Chief Dan Eggleston, as well as money toward capital improvements. 

Werner wants two ambulances, a one-time expenditure of about $400,000, and says it will cost about $600,000 a year for the eight new firefighter/medics and one administrative person. The budget also calls for a contracted medical director and salary increases for 11 current firefighter/medics. 

He also points out that CARS has not responded to offers of money from Charlottesville and that additional staffing alone can't solve the response time problem because the McIntire Road facility is at capacity. "There's not enough room at CARS, and we have the locations," says Werner.

City Council votes on the budget April 10; most councilors seem to be leaning toward Charlottesville getting some paid rescue squad, and former fire chief Taliaferro says he doesn't see any conflict in voting on the budget for the organization he used to head. "It's not benefiting me," he observes, "except I'll get a decent response if I need one."

City Council candidate Jennifer McKeever is looking at the expenditure from a taxpayer perspective. "We wouldn't want expansion of these services without meaningful public dialogue," she says. "I don't believe it's a fire department/rescue squad issue as much as a taxpayer issue."

Another taxpayer issue that periodically comes up is why Charlottesville and Albemarle still maintain separate fire departments. A consultant's study is due any day now that will be a report card on both organizations. Should such a merger ever occur, where would CARS fit?

Also in CARS' future is the Meadowcreek Parkway whose interchange will likely eat the rescue squad's 50-year-old base. "If our building is taken, where are we going to move?" asks Claytor. "That could affect our response times."

Werner says he's disappointed the issue has become so public. "It's just one of those major changes," he says. "It's about people, their dedication, and loyalty to an organization. The key thing is to focus on patient care."

 


"We started hearing rumors back in the fall [Charlottesville] was going to quote unquote take over the rescue squad," says Charlottesville Albemarle Rescue Squad president Larry Claytor.
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With the majority of the Charlottsville Fire Department's personnel living with me in Fluvanna, how come they are not worried about the lack of service that their taxes pay for? I know they all need a job, but how can they want this level of service for the people where they work and not even care about the level of service that will help them or their family in a time of need. Last Friday Albemarle County had to come and help on a bad wreck. Millions here, millions there, why don't you all put some effort into getting us some help at home. Those people in Charlottesville have been fine up until now, I just wish caring for your own families and neighbors would motivate you all as much as buying new pickup trucks.

posted by FLUCO at 3/29/2007 6:40:43 PM

If you take some time and get your facts correct, you will find that most of the individuals in which you are referring are helping in your area. Many volunteer their service and experience to the local fire stations in your area. Also many of them serve as Chief Officers in those departments. If you wish to look further you can start at Lake Monticello Fire Dept and Palmyra Fire Dept for your area. But if you would like to look even further you can look in Albemarle, Greene, Nelson, Orange, Louisa and even Culpepper to find city firefighters giving many hours to the volunteer system in their areas.

Thank you for your time to all who are paid and volunteer.

posted by Answer to FLUCO at 3/29/2007 7:45:54 PM

Like FLUCO I live in Fluvanna. While the situation in Charlottesville is of interest, it makes me want to know more about what my taxes get me in terms of EMS in my county. DO we pay Albemarle County for Fire and Rescue services? I often see a blue and white SUV and a red and gold SUV from Albemarle rushing up and down Route 53, well into Fluvanna. Am I paying for another county to take care of me?

posted by Lake Person at 3/29/2007 8:09:13 PM

It appears that some people who live in Fluvanna County don't know enough about their own community. As the Assistant Chief for the Palmyra Fire Company, please allow me to inform you. First of all, FLUCO, I assure you that quite a few paid firefighters who live in this county do indeed volunteer their time here, in Fluvanna, on their days off. I am one of those who is paid in another locality and volunteer my time to my community. In Palmyra, we have 3 members who are paid firefighters in another locality and one who is a retired firefighter. We even have a sheriff's deputy, and a jail guard or two who volunteer on their days off. Lake Monticello has quite a few paid firefighters who volunteer as does the rescue squad. As for your accident, I extend my condolences to you. But perhaps your accident did not occur in Fluvanna. According to my research, there was no accident last Friday (Mar. 23 I presume) in Fluvanna that required a fire/rescue response. At least there were none dispatched. And there are areas in the county where we have automatic aid agreements with adjoining counties; they help us and we help them. All volunteers in Fluvanna care for their families and neighbors, even those that get paid to do the job elsewhere. May I ask, do you volunteer?

In response to Lake Person, you are not paying for assistance from Albemarle. If you see a blue and white or red and gold vehicle in Fluvanna it's the Albemarle Department of Fire/Rescue providing advanced life support assistance to a Fluvanna Rescue Squad. Quite often, the crew on a call needs more advanced help than they can provide and we call for help from Charlottesville and Albemarle. The vehicles you see are paid Albemarle personnel. We do receive help from the Charlottesville/Albemarle Rescue Squad as well.

It's a shame that the situation between the Charlottesville Fire Dept. and the Charlottesville/Albemarle Rescue Squad is being used to disparage the dedicated volunteers in Fluvanna, regardless of their profession. That situation has nothing to do with what goes on in Fluvanna County.

posted by Brian Powell at 3/30/2007 11:02:23 AM

Re: FLUCO

It has come to my attention that the accident you're referring may have occurred on Friday Mar. 16 instead of last Friday. If that's the case then you truly do have my thoughts and prayers because it was a horrible accident. I was there along with two other volunteers who are paid firefighters elsewhere. We did request assistance from the Charlottesville/Albemarle Rescue Squad for an additional ambulance with advanced life support to transport a critically inured patient. There were two Fluvanna fire companies, a Louisa Fire company, and three Fluvanna ambulances. There was a paid Albemarle ALS provider there that was not requested but responded on his own decision. We are grateful for his help because our resources were stretched thin.

If you or anyone else has any questions about fire and EMS issues in Fluvanna feel free to email me and I'll answer what questions I can or refer you to the proper person. And I urge everyone, volunteer! Get involved! We can always use more help.

posted by Brian Powell at 3/30/2007 11:40:47 AM

How did the Albemarle Fire Rescue administration find a way to cooperate and help CARS but the City Fire administration has chosen to attack them? Where are the discussions on how to contribute to the system versus creating a new system for themselves?

posted by CountyVolunteer at 4/1/2007 10:47:37 PM

The city did ask to do the same thing as the Paid County firefighters working in CARS now and were told NO by CARS... HOW can a place say they are all Volunteer when most every piece has paid county fire/rescue personel riding on it? Just asking. I though I lived in the city but the other day when the rescue unit came to the house next door every person on the unit had Albermarle County Fire/Rescue on thier shirt!!! Again Just asking?

posted by answer at 4/2/2007 9:52:53 AM

Yes, how did Albemarle Fire/Rescue find a way? Why is it that CARS chose to allow them in the station but has continually rebuked the city fire department on the same offer? If CARS doesn't have a problem with staffing then why did they feel the need to go to firefighters in Chesterfield and ask them to come up and staff their building during the day? Why didn't they approach the city firefighters that work with them evey day? And don't deny that happened because it's common knowledge that it most certainly did. Why did Larry Claytor send a letter to the BOS saying that they do indeed have staffing problems and turn right around in this debate and say they don't? The city is trying to do no different than what the county has done; add additional resources to the system to ensure that their citizens are protected. And trust me, billing for service is being discussed on a regional basis. So, yes, if the city bills for service you can rest assured EVERYONE will be billing for service. Even CARS. By the way, county paid medics have been running calls in CARS ambulances in the city for quite some time now. Larry Claytor shold be careful about saying that CARS was not aware of any problems and that the city has not shared this with them. It was being discussed long before this budget proposal. Perhaps those under him running things on a daily basis are not sharing with him. Be careful about those stances. This is an election year...

posted by another answer at 4/2/2007 10:29:17 AM

Is that how CARS got the paid help? Did Larry Claytor send a letter to the BOS as you refer to asking for staffing help and then tell media CARS had no idea of a problem. If this is true it should be made public because I don't want someone who bend truthfulness as a public official in my county.

posted by ? at 4/2/2007 11:50:31 AM

ACFR asked CARS a few years ago if they could send one experienced medic, and new medics to their station for precepting hours. CARS agreed, and I feel saw the difference that it was making on the amount of units they could staff day to day with medics. Shortly after, their was a letter that was sent to the county BOS that has been said asks for more help. ACFR then requested through their budget process 3 additional medics for CARS that year, I'm not sure which budget year that was, but there are records on the county"s web site if you would like to look. I'm sure if more county residents knew that their tax dollars were funding paid medics to run calls in the city, they would not be silent. Considering their tax a rate is outrageous as well. I pesonally have not seen the letter but do beleive it does exist. CARS needed help then and they still need help today. Adding more medics and ambulances to the cuurent system is a good thing. So many people in the community have made this a personal issue and an issue of billing and taxes. It is most definitly is not either of those. It is an issue of serving the public, and having ambulances ready to respond immediately when needed. CARS is, and will continue to be a great organization. It has highly trained people willing to donate their time, and energy to serving others. No one from CFD has said anyhting but just that. No one is trying to elminate CARS from running calls or from fundraising. Please understand giving CARS money will not put staffing on the street. They don't need ambulances they need people to ride in them. In regards to Larry Claytor he is not being 100% honest with the media, or the community. In the Albemarle county race for sheriff, which will be a close race. Neither opponent can aford to give votes to the other through dishonesty or polictical mistakes. I feel candiate Claytor has done just that with his statements on this issue and his opponent is watching. Dishonesty is not an admerable trait for a Sheriff.

posted by Needed to say something at 4/3/2007 5:34:48 PM

if larry claytor is so concerned about the citizens of Charlottesville,why is he always absent from city council meetings.But maybe all he is worried about is the money CARS takes in and not about patient care.

posted by somebody at 4/3/2007 7:19:21 PM

The above staements are my personal beliefs. Please forgive me I made a mistake which I would like to correct. I feel Mr.Claytor is not being 100% honest with the community or the media. I do not content that he is being dishonest with his statements.

posted by Needed to say something at 4/3/2007 7:28:32 PM

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