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NEWS- Presidential campaign: Changing views of Tom and Sally

published April 19, 2007

Whimsical, thought provoking, or just plain insulting? That's what some are asking about a campaign at UVA that aims to knock school founder Thomas Jefferson off his pedestal and bolster the recognition of his African-American slave and mistress, Sally Hemings.

Dubbed "Tommy Heart Sally," the campaign that began in January is the brainchild of a new secret society, the Committee for Jeffersonian Traditions. On its website, tommyheartsally.com, various t-shirts feature images of Jefferson and Hemings accompanied by slogans, including the classic "Virginia is for Lovers." Also on the site, the group announces its commitment to "celebrating all of our beloved Jefferson," and cites the third president's "many passions."

Chief among them: Hemings, whose relationship with Jefferson was rumored for nearly 200 years before DNA tests in the late 1990s led many scholars to admit Jefferson had almost certainly fathered some or all of Hemings' six children. 

To celebrate Hemings' life, the Committee announced plans to throw a birthday bash for Hemings on Friday, April 20, at Amigo's Mexican restaurant on the Corner. The event, which starts at 11pm, features margaritas for $2.50 and draft beer for $1.50-- with an "event cup."

Tommy Heart Sally campaign spokesperson Keith Cox says he hopes the celebration will bring students and townspeople of both races together. He expects that holding it late at night and offering cheap booze will lure more students. But not everyone has been thrilled with the approach.

"It seemed flip, casual, sort of mocking," Cauline Yates, a descendent of Sally Hemings' sister, said when a reporter told her of the event. Yates, a Charlottesville event planner, said no one had called her for input about the campaign.

Dorothy Westerinen, a direct descendant of Jefferson and Hemings who now lives in Staten Island, New York, also hadn't heard of the campaign. She says she applauds the idea behind the Tommy Heart Sally campaign, but she worries about the method and the tone.

"I wouldn't want her to be demeaned," she says of Hemings, pointing out that while Jefferson was a public figure and therefore subject to "some flak," Hemings was not. "People know very little about her," Westerinen says, "so if they're being cheap with her image, I'd be more upset."

 Cox says he and other Committee members tried unsuccessfully to reach Hemings descendents. He insists that neither the campaign nor the party is intended to be disrespectful. And, he points out, several faculty members have approved the campaign.

"I see it as whimsical," says Valerie Cooper, assistant professor of English, who is African American. Of Cox, who is white, she says, "He's very bright, and I'm impressed with his social consciousness." Cooper says her father grew up in Charlottesville and she recalls hearing "stories about Thomas Jefferon's liaisons with Sally because it was part of local popular culture."

Indeed, most of the information about Hemings and Jefferson has been perpetuated in the oral tradition. There are no images of Hemings in any historic record and very little written about the woman who many believe was the half-sister of Jefferson's wife, Martha. What scholars do know is that the rumors of the Hemings liaison dogged the third president so much that he argued for restrictions on the press. Mixed-race children roamed the grounds of Monticello, as they did many other southern plantations. Sally, after all, had only one-quarter African ancestry, as three of her four grandparents were white. Adding to speculation that the relationship was more than simply master/slave, after Jefferson's death, the Hemings family was the only one specifically freed in his will.

Sally Hemings lived out her years as a free woman in a house on West Main Street, now the site of the Hampton Inn. One of her sons, Madison, freed the year of Jefferson's death in 1826, later moved to Ohio where, 47 years later, he gave an extensive newspaper interview confirming the rumors about his parents. 

Cooper says several of her students-- mostly African American women-- have approached her expressing concern about the current campus campaign and suggesting it may be demeaning.

"African American women are used to having their images and honor batted around," says Cooper, mentioning the recent flap over comments made by talk show host Don Imus. "They're very protective about this story." Citing Hemings' age at the time the relationship began-- 14-- Cooper says thinking and talking about what happened can be difficult since one possibility is it was rape.

English professor Eric Lott believes the campaign is an important start to meaningful discussion. The graphic design on the t-shirts and website are intriguing, he says. "It's an interesting puzzle," says Lott. "What does it mean that Jefferson hearted Sally? Are we focusing on love? Are we focusing on what he wrote and what he did in practice? We're talking about a white supremicist who had a relationship with a black woman and had at least one child with her."

But the fact that the campaign and its accompanying imagery may be offensive to some is not necessarily a bad thing, Lott says.

"Even to wonder whether this is trivializing is to enter the terrain of the puzzle," he says, "and this may be a useful thing."

Hoping he could prove the Committee's good intentions, Cox met with Yates on Friday, April 13. "I told her we'd cancel the event if it upset her," he says. "That was never our intent." But after a three-hour meeting, there was no cancellation. Instead, Yates joined the campaign, and the two decided to expand the birthday celebration by starting the event at 8pm with speeches by Yates and by a yet-to-be confirmed Monticello historian. 

UVA spokesperson Carol Wood declined comment on the campaign, as did Thomas Jefferson Foundation president Dan Jordan. One bigwig who did pay attention: Daily Show host Jon Stewart, who requested a t-shirt and may reference it in his show on April 28 at the John Paul Jones Arena.

Cox says giving attention to Hemings helps accomplish the campaign's other long-term goal: humanizing Jefferson and destigmatizing his biracial relationship.

"We hope our images will become part of the UVA iconography," says Cox. "The way we imagine Jefferson will be more truthful."


A new twist on the Virginia state slogan
IMAGE COURTESY COMMITTEE FOR JEFFERSONIAN TRADITIONS

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forget "tommy hearts sally" -- this campaign is much more about "keith cox hearts attention"

posted by belmont_jan at 4/19/2007 10:50:26 AM

Really glad to see Eric Lott weigh in on this one. Perhaps we should focus on what he writes and what he does in practice.

posted by ray culiotta at 4/19/2007 12:24:31 PM

The premise of the Tommy Heart Sally campaign is that Thomas Jefferson indeed had a sexual relationship with Sally Hemings and that Sally Hemings actually fathered one or more of his children. But what the organizers of this campaign have failed to appreciate is that there is no evidence whatsoever that this liason even happened. The DNA evidence was originally misinterpreted to irrefutably connect Thomas Jefferson to Hemings, when later it was clearly evident that any of two dozen Jefferson males with the same Y chromosome as Thomas could have been the father of Sally Hemings children, including the more likely suspects being the President's brother or one of his nephews. Therefore the proponents of this campaign are very misguided and are doing unnecessary harm to the reputation and fame of our third President.

posted by John Works at 4/19/2007 10:25:28 PM

While there is no *conclusive* evidence that Jefferson fathered any of Hemings' children, there is evidence that he *may* have fathered them, and that is a very different thing from saying, as John Works does, that there is "no evidence whatsoever" that the liaison happened. If Works had said "conclusive evidence" his post would be okay; to say there is NO evidence is simply wrong.

Moreover, John Works deviates significantly from the published research on Jefferson/Hemings when he writes that TJ's brother or one of his nephews were "the more likely suspects." The report from Monticello's Research Committee on Thomas Jefferson and Hemings concludes (which studied the DNA findings as well as all the historical evidence relating to the matter) that "convincing evidence does not exist for the hypothesis that another male Jefferson was the father of Sally Hemings's children." The fact that Works mentions Jefferson's nephews--the Carr brothers--among these "more likely suspects"--makes me wonder if Works is all that familiar with the DNA findings, because the Carr brothers were conclusively ruled out by the DNA findings.

Now, it's true that some people prefer to believe that any Jefferson BUT Jefferson himself fathered her children, but it's disingenuous to call the other males "more likely suspects" without acknowledging that the Thomas Jefferson Foundation itself--hardly an organization committed to heedlessly destroying the reputation of our 3rd president--has concluded that "the weight of all known evidence - from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data - indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson" fathered at least one and perhaps all six of SH's children.

Go to the Monticello website to see the research report, plus the dissenting/minority reports.

Ray--have you ever heard of the logical fallacy called "ad hominem"? Because you're using it!

posted by Sidonie at 4/20/2007 9:38:18 AM

and a minor point--Valerie Cooper is in Religious Studies at UVa, not English.

posted by Sidonie at 4/20/2007 9:39:11 AM

I am knowledgeable of this entire Jefferson-Hemings DNA Study "fiasco". I assisted Dr. Eugene Fostyer of Charlottesville with this study and I know what he said, what Nature Journal told me, what Dr. Dan Jordan, Monticello President, told me and what I told HIM including my remarks, "Dan how can you sleep at night from your actions?" I further had discussions with TJF Chairman, Brenton Halsey and suggested to him that the three

top officials (at that time, one has since departed), be asked to resign because of the biased and incomplete research and their "sweeping under the carpet" of Dr. Ken Wallenborn's Minority Report.

I ask that all readers not depend upon people with agendas and 15 minutes of fame in the limelight and "official" political correctnesss and histrorical revisionism as displayed at some foundation on a mountain. Please check www.tjheritage.org and www.angelfire.com/va/TJTruth for full details. NOTING proves Thomas Jefferson fathered slave children and this was the findings of the official Scholars Commission Report accesable from the above web pages.

Herb Barger

Jefferson Family Historian

posted by Herbert Barger at 4/20/2007 1:33:07 PM

This is a historical debate and the idea that it must be conclusively proven is more in line with criminal trials and the like, not historical studies. Our history books are filled with our best guesses, and many historians believe the claim to be valid.

posted by Johnny at 4/20/2007 2:01:47 PM

No one here is saying that anything proves conclusively that TJ fathered SH's children, Mr. Barger, and when you act as if that IS what's being said, you do kind of a bait-and-switch move. What the majority report says is that the weight of all the available evidence suggests strongly that he did. I agree that anyone who says there is proof that he fathered her children is mistaken, but to suggest that those who believe it is highly likely are somehow wrapped up in political correctness (or to dismiss them as "some foundation on a mountain, which you probably never thought about them until they crossed you!) is pretty deceitful.

posted by Sidonie at 4/20/2007 2:40:03 PM

I must take issue with the tacky t-shirt design: First, isn't the Virginia is for lovers motif copyrighted? And second, has anyone noticed that the figure representing SH is in late Victorian garb?

posted by anonymous historian at 4/20/2007 4:11:15 PM

"Authorities" on a mountain DID NOT only cross ME but ALL freedom loving Americans and people elsewhere. Check out the mentioned web pages mentioned earlier.

Why did Monticello place an African-American ORAL history specialist, member of the Getting Word Project there, consisting of ten famous African-Americans, including Julian Bond, NAACP Chairman, as the Chairperson. And why did that person rely on basicly two studies, the Annette Gordon-Reed book and Madison Hemings' interview in the Pike Co., Ohio newspaper article, to report out a biased and slanted report as reported by then Monticello employee and Monticello Study member. Dr. Wallenborn and two other long time guides resigned rather than give their Monticello guests incorrect information.

Do you not consider a finding that not only was one Hemings descendant found by DNA to match that of "SOME" Jefferson DNA and further to state that possibly ALL of Sally's children were probably fathered by Jefferson. Is this the type "research" that the public is asked to accept WHEN only ONE Hemings DNA was tested. Since the original test I have found a suitable William Hemings, son of Madison, to test. Dan Jordan at Monticello was informed PRIOR to release of the Monticello Study and he would NOT pursue it further and suggested that I not pressure them to permit the DNA test. I informed 8 Hemings and ALL refused to permit the test, AFTER first giving oral permission. There is no DNA to prove that Madison and Eston Hemings are brothers.

This DNA study was not professionally supervised in accordance with accepted standards and some senior geneticists have expressed various doubts in the official Monticello Study Report of January 2000. Dr. Foster's SOLE MISSION was to prove or disprove the Carr brothers contention that THEY had fathered Sally's children. When there was NO Carr match to anyone, then Nature had only one person left in the equation, Thomas Jefferson. Dr. Foster had NOT used critical family genealogy that I had provided and requersted that he submit it to Nature. He told me that Nature would not provide suitable space for other historical informations, etc. He and Nature Journal "collaborated" on that FALSE Nature title, "Jefferson Fathers Slaves Last Child." If he HAD furnished them the other Jefferson family information I had suggested there could NOT have been such a FALSE headline because other Jefferson DNA would also be possible fathers.

The major Campaign Lie of James Callender was proven just that, a LIE, by the DNA Study. There was NO match between Jefferson and Woodson DNA and this is a major LIE that has come down through the years by various writers. The Eston Hemings (Jefferson) family members, prior to the Fawn Brodie book, based upon the Campaign Lies of Callender, always believed they descended from "an uncle", a reference to Thomas Jefferson's younger brother, Randolph Jefferson, by the Randolph and Hemings' Thomas Jefferson grandchildren on the mountain. Eston Hemings Jefferson NEVER wrote or stated that he descended from Thomas Jefferson. Madison Hemings's false claim that he was named after James Madison on the date of his birth, January 19, 1805, by Dolley Madison on the ocassion of her visit to Monticello on that date. The truth is that the Madisons NEVER visited Virginia from Washington during the winter. Thus, how are we to believe anything Samuel Wetmore (abolitionist political writer and Madison Hemings interviewer, put into print? The other local political newspaper wrote one week after the interview that the article was false claims and other statements about the situation at the time. NOTHING PROVES THOMAS JEFFERSON GUILTY OF FATHERING SLAVE CHILDREN.

Herbert Barger

Jefferson Family Historian

Asst. to Dr. Foster on the DNA Study

posted by Herbert Barger at 4/20/2007 8:42:15 PM

I wish Sidonie would go away and never come back to any thread. Her opinions are like a migrane headache. No matter how hard you try to get rid of it, it always comes back.

posted by Lovelace at 4/20/2007 10:42:55 PM

Mr. Barger--just as a thought experiment, how would you react if original Jefferson DNA were to be tested and it were proven without a shadow of a doubt that Jefferson fathered one or more of Sally Hemings' children? (Yes, I know nothing is conclusively proven, etc., but that's not the point of my question.) I'm just curious how you would respond, what you would think of him then.

And anonymous historian, you make a great point--that Victorian servant illustration (or whatever it is) is probably also not light-skinned enough to represent Sally Hemings.

posted by richmonder at 4/20/2007 11:39:54 PM

Mr. Barger, I did check out your web pages, and I have a tip: don't put all the most interesting text in a PDF. Not many people want to download 30 PDFs onto their desktop in order to read them all. The Monticello website does a better job of putting most of the text on HTML pages and leaving PDF for only the fullest versions. On tjheritage.org, one can hardly read anything without downloading a PDF.

Hey Lovelace! I hope your brain really does explode when I keep posting!

Richmonder, IMO Mr. Barger and other family members (his wife is a recognized [read: white] Jefferson descendant) who strenuously resist the conclusion that Tommy hearted Sally began from the conviction that it couldn't be true, and have interpreted all evidence thereafter in the light of that conviction--"I don't want it to be true," they say. By contrast, I think that the research community (which is not of one mind on this issue, of course) begins from a more neutral position--maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

I do think it's telling that in Barger's comments here and the comments on the tjheritage site we see a lot of exclamation points, a lot of all caps, and a lot of breathless, over the top rhetoric. That tells me that emotion is deeply involved.

Elsewhere, Mr. Barger is quoted as saying "My long history proves that he never fathered any Hemings child" (see _Jefferson's Children: The Story of One American Family_, pp. 44-45) and his use of the word "proves" is instructive; even he has to acknowledge that there is no proof, either way. But that he returns to that word tells us how deeply he wants to believe it. The only responsible thing he could say is "my research suggests strongly that he didn't father any Hemings child"--but he doesn't say that, he said proves.

I think a more interesting question is this: why the terror that this might be true? I've always wondered, if there were evidence that TJ had had a relationship with an elite white woman, would there be such a visceral response? I have to think that at least some of the opponents (not Mr. Barger, as far as I know) are reacting to the idea of race-mixing itself--that she was black is the problem. That TJ would have taken up with a black woman.

I'm a little disturbed by Barger's observation that the TJF group made a black woman chair of the study group (a black woman who belongs another organization consisting of--gasp--more black people!) as self-evidently suspicious. I would imagine they chose an oral history specialist because some of what they had to examine is oral history, and while an oral historian would also have a background in "regular" history, a "regular" historian would not necessarily have any expertise in oral history. Barger's panicky attention to blackness in the first few sentences of his most recent post is noteworthy.

posted by Sidonie at 4/21/2007 9:25:08 AM

Ms Barger, I would not take anything Sidonie says seriously. This person is one who goes from one blog thread to the next to dispell her wisdom about every known subject on earth. We are lucky to have her to "educate" us all on what we should think and on how we should act. I'm sure this person is a product of her past where she was picked on and made fun of. Now, this individual tries to boost his/her self-esteem by preaching to others and proving she is smarter than anybody who disagrees with her (which probably includes everybody who contributed to her low self image).

posted by Lovelace at 4/21/2007 9:50:31 AM

RICHMONDDER: At present there is no way to prove Thomas Jefferson the father of Sally's children. DNA ONLY identifies a FAMILY DNA....no given names. That is the very reason that I insisted that Dr. Foster furnish Nature Journal with other possibilities and he DIDN'T. There is an excellent possibility that the Jefferson DNA may have come from an inherited mulatto named Sandy (denoting reddish/brownish hair....a Jefferson trait). This man could have produced a male heir (with Jefferson family DNA)who was father of Sally's children. The possibilities are endless. IF it could be proven, and it can't, THEN I would have no trouble conceding that to be factual. It is NOT a black/white issue with me...........its fairness and truth whether for Jefferson or anyone where inaccurate statements are being made that hurts ones reputation and image. Until then let us all, INCLUDING the Monticello managment, stick to the facts.....NOTHING proves TJ to be the father of even ONE much less their assesment that possibly ALL of her children were from Thomas Jefferson........this statement shouts, "BIAS", because there was only ONE Hemings tested. Sally's mother had children by several black and white men.......why must we now be asked to accept a statement that she only had one man for all of her children? It was 5 years after their return from France that Sally had a recorded FIRST child. Where is all this lovey, dovey, feel good sentiment coming from in misguided books and films, certainly not Sally or Mr. Jefferson? Sally never mentioned anything about being TJ's mistress. Madison's statement in the Pike Co. newspaper does not state that "his mother told him this."

SIDNONIE: Thanks for correcting some of my grammar, improper english and thanks for your comments on the inadequacy of your computer system. I or no one I know have a problem that you suggest. It is the message that you should be concerned with and read, ALL links....real good.

Read the full Scholars Commission Report(13 full professors), and buy the recommended books.

My wife descends from Thomas Jefferson's uncle, Field, as do all of the male Jeffersons whose DNA was used in the DNA Study.

Jefferson's Children author, Shannon Lanier and photographer, Jane Feldman, spent an entire afternoon in my home discussing the controversy. We further discussed the fact that I had sent forms to him and seven other Hemings asking for permission to gather DNA from ANOTHER male Hemings, William, son of Madison. I asked, "when will I be receiving the forms back" and he replied that at the upcoming Thanksgiving family gathering they would make some determination. I never heard further from any ONE of eight. Seeing Hemings spokesperson, Shay Banks-Young, at a Monticello Assn. annual gathering in the Charlottesville Omni, I asked the same question, "when can I expect the returned forms".........her reply.NEVER, they were happy with their oral family history and would never give permission.

posted by Herbert Barger at 4/21/2007 1:07:08 PM

Actually, Jefferson did love Sally. So much so that he freed her, and although she was his "property" he gave her a house, took her travelling etc. When his wife died, Sally Hemmings was the woman behind the man, taking care of his children and his home. He must have depended on her; perhaps gave her too much respect for a "slave". So much so that his reputation was tarnished because of it. She must have loved him back, though, because she handed down a legacy that included the Jefferson name. The love continues as her progeny are still calling him grandfather.

posted by Randolph Byrd at 4/21/2007 1:08:46 PM

I didn't correct your grammar, old dude. As soon as you stop saying you have proved that TJ did not father Hemings' children, I'll stop bugging you--you haven't proved it.

posted by Sidonie at 4/21/2007 1:51:51 PM

RANDOLPH BYRD: A combination of two very well known Virginia names. Freeing Sally had nothing to do with the fact that he fathered her children according to some. If that were so he would have officially freed Harriet II and Beverly instead of letting them to "run off." And why didn't he officially give them their freedom, IF, as Madison states, TJ and Sally had an agreement from France that he would officially free her children at age 21. Harriet II was 21 (but not freed) and Beverly was two or three years past that age (but not freed) and was allowed to "run away." Are we now to "pile on TJ for not honoring such a claimed vow as reported by Madison? I have never heard or read where he did not honor an obligation. But of course we can't believe anything Madison says as shown by his inaccurate statement that he was named by Dolley Madison at Monticello on his birth date. What tells us that TJ loved Sally? With reference to his "handing down a legacy with his Jefferson name", what does this infer or mean? Many slaves when released assumed their masters family names. Eston Hemings did that when he moved to Wisconsin, to assume the life of a white person, but one must wonder if THAT name would not lead to many questions, the questions he was hoping to get away from.Her progeny are still calling TJ their grandfather because it has been passed down since Fawn Brodie persuaded them that instead of being descended from "an uncle" (meaning his younger brother, Randolph),which they believed before that time, they, according to her psychogenic book, now descended from Thomas, a much better choice of brothers. Much of her book information came from theJames Callender Campaign Lies article of September 1802 in the Richmond paper. Of course we know that article and claim was a lie....DNA proved that by NO Jefferson/Woodson match was found.

SIDONIE: "Old dude" does not consider your comments as "bugging", it further gives me a chance to correct some of your observations. Don't you think that a debate is in order on this controversy and nationally filmed? Go to work on that, Annette Gordon-Reed and others have declined such an offer. You cite specific points that suggest that TJ fathered Sally's children and I will respond to deflate that belief.

posted by Herbert Barger at 4/21/2007 3:07:52 PM

Go ahead, humour me with your immaturity. Or don't.

posted by I think I know what to expect next at 4/21/2007 4:51:42 PM

You know what people? It doesn't matter whether T.J. impregnated a black woman or not. Whether he did or didn't does not take away from his accomplishments in life unless you view him through the eyes of a racist. Fathering bi-racial children in today's society is not something that is usually fought about so vehemently UNLESS one of the people arguing believes fathering bi-racial children is wrong (or is offended by it). Is anybody here a racist? If not, then it really isn't worth arguing over so passionately.

posted by Johhny Appleseed at 4/23/2007 4:22:43 PM

Somebody has hit a nerve.

First, I respect Appleseed's reasoned approach. But, Johnny, don't you think the peculiar nature of their relationship sours things a little? Hemings was a slave; Jefferson was her owner. We all agree (I hope) that slavery was an evil from which we're still recovering. So the nature of their relationship, and the racial issues at play, are the crux of the whole conversation. It sits at the cross-road of sex, gender, and power. And, simultaneously, it erodes the integrity of one of America's founding fathers. Jefferson is exposed, at best, as a hyporite and philanderer if true. At worst, a filthy rapist. We know he trafficked in human lives, despite a strong sense of ethics and morality. And he doesn't get a pass for being a product of his time. There were people were opposed to slavery from the start.

To Herbert:

Your messages here are attempts to close down discussion. How is that helpful? Jefferson owned slaves, correct? At various times in his life, he admitted that slavery was wrong, correct? Yet he kept slaves anyway. Hemings was treated differently from his other slaves, correct? He took her to France, he granted her a special freedom that he didn't grant others, right? I value historical veracity, too, but I don't think repeated attempts to quiet this line of criticism are particularly helpful. Jefferson in his own time recognized the Hemings's situation and tried to quiet it, right?

The Tommy Heart Sally campaign is working--people are talking about this issue again. And I like the T-shirts.

posted by Jonathan Coryell at 4/23/2007 8:19:15 PM

Jonathan,

It might surprise you, but I agree with what you say. If the allegation that T.J. slept with a woman other than his wife is true, then that makes him a philanderer and it erodes his integrity. Unfortunately, I assume most people don't really care about integrity and other moral values (I'm thinking about Clinton's popularity after he committed perjury).

With that said, his life accomplishments still stand despite the fact he most likely cheated on his wife. In today's world, I suspect T.J. will be just as easily forgiven as modern public figures unless he is being judged by a racist. For people with traditional values, his IMAGE will be tarnished despite his accomplishments.

posted by Johnny Appleseed at 4/24/2007 6:41:46 PM

Johnny, the prevailing belief among those who believe that Tommy hearted Sally is that he began doing so after his wife died. A minor point, perhaps, but it's probably important to point out that hardly anyone accuses him of carrying on with Sally while Martha was still alive.

posted by Sidonie at 4/25/2007 2:56:51 PM

Sidonie, I haven't studied Jefferson's life enough to know what the facts support in that regard. If true, that would give validity to my first point on this thread without exception.

posted by Johnny Appleseed at 4/25/2007 3:08:03 PM
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