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NEWS- Show of force: Couple arrested, allege police brutality


Published October 11, 2007 in issue 0641 of the Hook

 


Blair Austin says she has suffered neck and back pain since she was pushed to the ground at this crosswalk during an incident involving a Charlottesville police officer on September 28.
PHOTO BY COURTENEY STUART

Friday night, September 28, should have been a joyful evening for Richard Silva and his fiancee, Blair Austin. Recently reunited after Silva returned home following nearly three years in both Iraq and Afghanistan, the couple was celebrating Silva's 35th birthday.

 

It was the first of his birthdays they'd spent together since they met in 2004, and by their account they intended to celebrate quietly on the Downtown Mall. The two headed to Zocalo for dinner with another couple, then stopped by the Blue Light Grill for a nightcap before returning to the Water Street Parking Garage at around 12:45am, where they say they planned to meet up with a friend who'd agreed to be their designated driver.

But as Silva and Austin, 27, soon discovered, even the best laid plans can go awry. Less than an hour later, the birthday boy and his bride-to-be were behind bars following a shocking incident that had onlookers frantically calling 911-- even though police were already on the scene.

As the couple, their two friends, and several other people prepared to cross Water Street heading south toward the garage, a Charlottesville police SUV suddenly barreled down the incline on Second Street from the railroad tracks at what witnesses described as a high rate of speed. Silva and Austin were just entering the crosswalk.

"I was like, 'Oh, my God; there's no way he can slow down,'" says Carrie Stuart, who was walking with her boyfriend along Second Street toward the Mall and had just passed the X-Lounge at the time. Stuart, an actress, says she was certain the police vehicle was on a collision course with the people in the crosswalk.

Fortunately, Stuart says, the vehicle, which had started to turn right onto Water Street, "slid to a stop" before the startled pedestrians, who scurried about 20 feet east up Water Street in the seconds before the officer stopped.

"He didn't have any turn signal on," says Austin.

Although the vehicle's lights were flashing during its approach, witnesses say the siren was not on. Silva says he was so frightened and angry that the siren hadn't been on to warn the group of its rapid approach that he raised his hands in the air and shouted something like "Slow your a** down!" or "Slow the f*** down!" He now wishes he'd kept his mouth shut.

Charlottesville Police Officer Mike Flaherty got out and, according to witnesses, pointed at Silva, then began handcuffing him. Silva's fiancee-- a slim blond wearing a dress and heels for the special occasion-- cried out, "Why are you arresting him?"

Witnesses claim that Flaherty stepped toward Austin and shoved her with both hands, knocking her flat on her back on the asphalt. Even strangers were stunned. 

"She hit so hard she spun on the ground," says Anjani Solonen, one of four Liberty University students who were just ending an evening out in Charlottesville.

By that time, Stuart had reached the scene. Like the Liberty students, she had never met Silva or Austin. She didn't see Flaherty push the woman, but she says, "I heard the sound of her hitting the pavement."

As she watched Silva being handcuffed, Stuart says, she felt compelled to do something. And as Silva was placed in the car, Stuart says she started screaming, "Don't you dare arrest that man-- he did nothing wrong!"

If onlookers were upset over Silva's treatment, seeing a uniformed officer knock a woman so violently to the ground created such feelings of outrage that one member of the Liberty University group called 911 to report his behavior. The director of the Emergency Communications Center, Thomas Hanson, acknowledges that the call came in, but says he can't release the tape until police have determined whether it's part of an ongoing investigation.

Despite the crowd's insistence that he release Silva and leave Austin alone, Flaherty directed a newly arrived police back-up officer to also arrest Austin, who by that time had stood up and was once again questioning her fiance's arrest.

"I thought there was going to be a damn riot," says Chris Ryan, one of the two friends who had accompanied the couple to Zocalo that night. "He hit her hard enough that it would have knocked me down."

Nearly a dozen witnesses who voluntarily remained at the scene after Austin and Silva were taken to jail offered their phone numbers to Ryan's girlfriend, while Ryan headed to the Charlottesville Police Station to find Flaherty's supervisor.

Ryan says he drew a diagram and explained the incident in detail to Sergeant Shawn Bayles, the midnight shift supervisor, who supported Flaherty's actions. Ryan wasn't surprised, nor is he judgmental.

"That's what he's supposed to do," says Ryan. But he claims that Bayles made one comment that startled him.

"He said, 'Well, to tell you the truth, we've had a lot of problems with a lot of the young liberals going to college causing problems,'" Ryan says. "I said, 'We're not a bunch of college kids, and as a matter of fact, I'm from Mississippi, and I'm not a damn liberal.'"

Like Silva, Ryan describes himself as a contractor supporting the U.S. military. Bayles did not return the Hook's call for comment, but Charlottesville Police Captain Bryant Bibb says the department is "strictly apolitical."

Ryan's attempt to win their release failed; his friends spent the night behind bars. Silva was charged with public swearing and intoxication, a class-four misdemeanor punishable by a $250 fine; Austin was charged both with public swearing and intoxication and with obstructing justice without force, a class-one misdemeanor punishable by a $2,500 fine and up to 12 months in jail. Both were kept overnight in holding cells at the Albemarle Charlottesville Regional Jail. Trials for both Silva and Austin are set for 10am Thursday, October 11 in Charlottesville General District Court.

Following the arrests, a group of nearly a dozen witnesses gathered at the intersection of Water and Second Streets and waited to give statements.

"I had never seen anything like it before," says Solonen.  

"It was completely ridiculous," adds Stuart, who has offered to return from California where she recently relocated to offer testimony. "The officer was completely out of line."

This is the second incident in the last two weeks in which the behavior of a Charlottesville police officer has been called into public question. At 4:30am on Saturday, September 29, local podcaster/journalist Sean Tubbs and his pregnant wife were awakened by armed Charlottesville police officers on his back porch. In that case, Captain Bibb says he believed his officers-- allegedly seeking a robber in the Hammond Street area-- acted appropriately, although he admits they could have considered knocking on the front door first.

 "Those things will be talked about in our internal discussions of the incident," says Bibb.

As for Silva and Austin, Bibb says the department is aware of the complaint but cautions against jumping to judgment against the officer. Flaherty, he says, is an  experienced policeman with a "good reputation" among his colleagues. Despite the respect of the department, Bibb says, an internal investigation is under way in which Flaherty as well as other officers and witnesses will be interviewed.

"We'll judge this on its own merits, look into what happened," says Bibb.

Austin, who went to the UVA emergency room on Monday morning when she awoke unable to turn her head, suffered no broken bones. She says the doctor who examined her compared her injuries to the pain one experiences following a car crash. Taking prescription pain killers for much of the next week, Austin missed several days of work at a chiropractor's office and missed her classes at PVCC, where she's preparing to apply for chiropractic school. Her digital camera, debit card, and driver's license-- which were knocked from her purse when she was pushed-- were found on the Water Street sidewalk by a passerby and returned to her the next day.

Silva wasn't injured during the incident, but he worries that even if acquitted, the arrest could affect his career, which requires a high-level government security clearance. Citing the sensitivity of his work as government contractor, he declined to be photographed.

The original version of this story incorrectly stated the date and street name of the incident at Sean Tubb's home.--ed.

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Charlottesville's finest showing their butt again. They will show you who's in charge! Don't ever assume the department won't back the officer up 100%. The citizens are dirt under their feet. Maybe it's time for a new chief again. The department is totally out of control once again.

Don't ever expect to hear the 911 tape either. It will be accidentally destroyed if and after a subpoena is issued for it.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/11/2007 12:27:17 PM

Yes, the cops act so ridiculous, that mainstream america, who hasn't been affected, brush it off as nonsense. And then the messenger is the nut-case, in their eyes.

I'm steeped in fighting this problem. And please trust me it is an epidemic. For every case you read about, there are thousands you do not.

Here's the answer, short and simple:

Require all cop/suspect interaction to, at minimum, be audio recorded, the data fed wirelessly to an independent third party for storage and maintenance.

Suspect and DA gets a free copy on demand.

Then the proverbial #%$* will hit the fan. Then we will have police that both follow the law, and act like human beings.

Jeb Springfield

posted by JEB at 10/11/2007 2:09:49 PM

Excess force may be ok in Iraq but for C'villes finest to act like bullying tyrants sure shows the world another side of our "world class" city's fine officers in action. Perhaps C'ville needs to send its officers to Iraq for a six month vacation so they can take their aggression out on insurgents instead of US citizens. I'd expect total exoneration of the officer since the Blue Wall prevents justice.

posted by CodeofSilence at 10/11/2007 2:18:35 PM

Something needs to be done!!! The police have gotten way out of hand!! She was assaulted!!

posted by at 10/11/2007 2:55:45 PM

Were any of you there? Anyone can make a claim of brutality if they have a mind to do so. Are some officers tyrants and overbearing?, yes, but Longo has done an excellent job of weeding out those officers when the FACTS are in, not just mere supposition. Longo's record of thorough internal affairs investigations is above reproach.

We ask a lot of our police. Enforce the law, but don't "upset" anyone. Clear the mall of hoodlums and drunks, but don't hurt someones "feelings". Don't "enforce" merely "suggest".

A lot of people see officers as a "necessary evil". This attitude is part of the reason why many people do not want any part of police work anymore, not just in Charlottesville, but across the nation. One day, you might really NEED a cop...and there will be no one left to call because all the smart young men and women will have figured out there are much easier ways to make a living.

posted by Think Before Speaking at 10/11/2007 3:22:55 PM

I'm so sick of this tired argument. Why does the fact that we "might need one someday" mean we have to put up with rogue thug cops who knock people down just because they can and arrest anyone who pisses them off whether they have reason to or not?

There are bad apples in every barrel. It's hard to imagine that all these witnesses are lying when they report what they saw happen, never mind the couple who are facing such severe repercussions from one cop's peevish temper fit.

Why can cops-can-do-no-wrong believers not admit that some of them are just criminals who hide behind the safety of the uniform? This guy sounds like a loose canon, and Longo needs to deal with this swiftly and positively instead of letting him weasel his way out of it with half-truths or excuses.

posted by juicyfruit at 10/11/2007 3:32:20 PM

Think Before Speaking, if I ever need a cop in an emergency I hate the thoughts of having to call 911 and have Charlottesville police officers respond. But what choice do we have?

And I sure disagree with your logic on Longo's record of thorough internal affairs investigations. If this were true a few more would have been fired by now. There's a $4 million lawsuit out there waiting to be served on a city cop this week for recent wrongdoing. It will be served as soon as the process server finds or looks for the cop. A cop that should have in my opinion been fired decades ago when while off-duty he led his own department on a high speed car chase and wrecked his personal car during this pursuit.

I don't see much improving anytime soon with Longo in office. The City Manager and City Council need to wake up and smell the coffee.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/11/2007 4:14:03 PM

Nowhere did I say I condoned rampant police brutality did I? Nowhere did I say I condone thug cops did I? I am only saying don't ball them up into one group because of the bad apples. Two or three out of 100 create all the bad press, and there are screw ups in every job, including law enforcement. Sad but true.

The bulk of the cops do a respectable job I would say. So Sick, if you're so sick of it then maybe YOU can make a difference in your community and apply to be a police officer since you apparently have the correct idea how the job should be done. It may be quite an education for you.

posted by Think Before Speaking at 10/11/2007 4:27:50 PM

Think Before Speaking...

So Sick, if you're so sick of it then maybe YOU can make a difference in your community and apply to be a police officer since you apparently have the correct idea how the job should be done. It may be quite an education for you.

WELL SAID!!!!!

posted by LuvMyCop at 10/11/2007 4:42:36 PM

Back to the facts.........a police officer was ultimately out of line in this case. As stated in the article, this is not the first time something like this has happened. Police officers should be respected for their good work and knowledge of the law. However, when they are completely out of line and breaking the law then some type of action needs to happen. It is not okay for a law officer to take the law into his or her own hands. It is not okay for a law officer to assault citizens, whenever they are just having a bad day.

posted by ***Peace*** at 10/11/2007 4:44:13 PM

Think Before Speaking, trust me on this, your estimate of 2 bad apples in a force of 100 is way too low. 2 bad apples were charged and fired about a year ago by Longo, and there are many more to go. Longo has no clue how some of these officers act up out on the street. This event is just one example of many.

Of course there's good honest decent hard working officers out there. But they are for the most part the seasoned veteran officers. It's this new breed of rookie who think they are going to take over the streets and tear the U S Constitution up into little tiny pieces that should worry you and the rest of the public. THIS COUPLE OBVIOUSLY HAD NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER AFTER A POLICE JEEP ALMOST RAN THEM OVER. Silva had no right to get upset and yell at the driver. Keep on believing that if you want. :)

And I am too old to be a police officer now. But I can tell you what I would have done in this situation. Even if Richard Silva has cursed me by saying "Slow the f*** down!", I would have stopped, gotten out of my Jeep, walked up to him and said, "Sir, Madam, I am sorry. Are both of you OK?" What's so hard about being professional and courteous nowadays? After all, the citizens were almost run over and seriously injured by a public servant.

But no, we're dealing with a Rambo rookie. One who jumps out of his vehicle, smacks a female to the ground (absolutely unexcusable), and arrests the boyfriend on BS charges.

As I said, it will only get worse. It's been getting worse for several years now. I think we need a new police chief.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/11/2007 4:49:27 PM

LuvMyCop. as I said above, I am too old to be a police officer. But there's no doubt in my mind that I could have acted professional and courteous in this situation after having almost run over a couple of citizens on a city street.

Contrary to the sugar coated police release by Bibb, I wish I could convince a local judicial officer to come here and repeat what he said about Flaherty a few months ago. This judicial official more or less predicted events such as this would happen sooner or later. I think his exact words were "hot dog"!

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/11/2007 4:57:32 PM

quote, CodeofSilence "I'd expect total exoneration of the officer since the Blue Wall prevents justice."

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You can bank on it. Longo is probably no more concerned about this event than other events that were brought to his attention lately.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/11/2007 5:09:00 PM

I have volunteered for the community and heard of several terrible situations involving Officer Flaherty. He has been known to exaggerate a situation into something forceful. I really hope that he is held accountable for his actions.....for once.

posted by BIGBLUESTOP at 10/11/2007 5:47:30 PM

Anybody know the outcome of the hearings this afternoon? I'd be interested to find out if the court decided that Mr. Silva and Ms. Austin were innocent of the charges--or are they backing the cops? I've known some great, helpful cops in town over the years but this guy sounds like a thug.

posted by emmajane at 10/11/2007 6:02:51 PM

Again, I do not know what happened in this situation and neither does ANYONE else who was not there, but I am glad my response has at least made Sick and a few others agree that there are SOME decent cops out there. There HAVE been more than two screw ups too, about 10 or so over the years..and Longo ditched them all when the FACTS were known. Good for him!

I would also agree with Sick about young cops versus old, or just about ANY job with young people versus old. With the whole ME generation, most young people entering the work force have been raised with very little thought to the feelings and concerns of others, very little instruction in manners, civic mindedness, or the law. It's all about feeling good about yourself, no one "loses", and YOU always get YOUR way.

When young folks become police officers, many of them have had no interaction with society outside their own families and college, much less the "problems" of society. Training in "social skills" at that point only goes so far. You either have it or you don't and I would say Longo has done a credible job getting those that don't out of the CPD and giving the benefit of the doubt to those officers when the FACTS are at issue.

Remember, CRIMINALS get found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and we should afford cops the same due process otherwise they will flee in droves to other jobs like Fireman...everybody loves a Fireman.

Pro-active cops WILL get complaints by the way. It somes with the job.

posted by Think Before Speaking at 10/11/2007 7:01:11 PM

Lawsuit. Settlement, easy. Lots of witnesses.

There really is a rude driving epidemic around here with cops. I'm a professional trucker and see it all the time.

I'm personally not worried, I have a dash camera rolling at all times, and if one of these pesky police cars gets under me because of bad driving it will be squished like a bug, and the camera will record who was at fault.

Some of the worst are Albemarle County cops blasting through the city with no regard.

I see Mike "Crash" Farrugio running red lights often, always yapping on his cell phone. He drives a Ford Explorer police SUV. If you look closely you'll notice the front end parts on his car are newer than the rest of the car...from a run-a-light crash at McIntire/Preston he caused.

posted by Lots of Witnesses at 10/11/2007 7:23:27 PM

quote, by Lots of Witnesses "Some of the worst are Albemarle County cops blasting through the city with no regard."

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You certainly got that right!

Furthermore, Farrugio is just one of 100 or more local police officers who constantly stay on cell phones while driving. Most of them are a wreck looking for the right place and time to happen.

EmmaJane, I doubt very seriously if any of these cases went to trial today. I suspect a good competent civil attorney and defense attorney are both on board by now, and they both have an interest in seeing the cases continued until all witnesses can be accounted for and invited to the trial. This one isn't going to be swept under the rug. And it shouldn't be.

BIGBLUESTOP, amen! And yet Bibb makes a press release such as he did. I think he knows better too. But it's his job to say nice things and defend the department and employees. It's not like Bibb can come out and say, "We've known this officer to be a libility risk for quite a while now!"

I am glad to see people finally getting fed up with what we have to call a "police department". Too bad it took a young lady getting knocked on her butt by a police officer to open so many eyes.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/11/2007 8:11:35 PM

The point that everyone is missing is that the Officer reacted in ANGER. He STOPPED on his way to a CRIME because someone told him to slow the F down when HE WAS DRIVING IN A DANGEROUS FASHION. I guess getting back at someone who called him out is more important than whatever crime he was on the way to.

I wonder if he had been a cop on a bicycle witnessing a plumbing truck drive like that and get called out, who he would arrest, the a..hole behind the wheel or the pedestrian who almost got run over?

The Police CHIEF is responsible for these short penis cops with an attitude. The level of response from an officer must match the situation and if he cannot control the (minority) of cops with attitudes he needs to step aside and let someone else do the job who can.

The other cops need to step up and DEMAND that the chief get rid of the trash so that they can gain the respect they deserve. In fact they should be the ones demanding justice the loudest. They are after all the ones who pay the price day in and day out because of these a$$holes.

posted by Jack Mehoff at 10/11/2007 9:06:45 PM

Jack, it wasn't too long ago we had a local chief of police so busy running around with his press spokesperson that he didn't have time to pay attention to what was going on within his own department.

Now it seems Longo is so busy trying to be a press whore that perhaps he doesn't know what is going on within his department. I would like to see him move on to another city and be a pretty face in the local news every night, and let somebody else capable of getting the local police under control take over again.

It's too bad the state doesn't have some sort of investigative agency that could come in and investigate claims by victims such as this couple. What do any of us expect when the local police investigate themselves. It's just like asking the chief fox to investigate who raided the hen house last night and made off with 3 chickens.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/11/2007 9:40:33 PM

My two best friends grew up wanting to be super heroes and save the world. Both of them are police officers right now. A couple of times there has been someone unnecessarily circiling outside my shop door when I'm counting the money before I leave late at night. I call the police and ask them to check it out if they have time. I trust and respect police officers.

The people who should be holding Officer Flaherty accountable are his fellow officers. That wreckless gentleman just made two innocent folks, several witnesses, and the scores of people who will hear about this case lose trust in the Charlottesville Police Department. Ms. Austin could have been very seriously injured when she was pushed. Then where would the C'Ville PD stand? What if Officer Flaherty would have hit someone with his car as he came flying down the road?

And the earlier comment about "Rookie" cops- that's an unrealistic generalization. Many men and women enter the force to PROTECT AND SERVE... it's the only way you can do it without being shipped off to Iraq or Afghanistan for 15 months.Those guys are local heroes. Get rid of this rogue officer before The City gets a serious lawsuit and he does further disgrace to the uniform.

posted by CopsAreHeroes at 10/12/2007 1:00:56 AM

This couple should consider themselves lucky. Not too long ago Sgt Greenwood killed a pedestian crossing the street in a county police SUV. I wasn't at either of these events but I still question how a trained officer was incapable not braking, sounding a horn, seeing or steering away from a pedestian who successfully crossed 3 lanes before being hit. I'm no Jeff Gordon but with my headlights on doing less than 35 MPH I can easily avoid hitting anything crossing my path especially deer which move ALOT faster than a 62 year old lady on a cell phone. Now either Greenwood didnt have headlights on, didn't think pedestians have right of way, was also on a cell phone/radio/computer, was sipping coffee/donut, speeding or asleep at the wheel but I find it very hard to believe a death could not have been avoided. We will never know now will we since their brothers in uniform(state police) said Greenwood had nothing to do with this accident.

The county needs to invest in SUV's with headlights that illuminate farther than 10 feet...mine go at least 200 feet!

Are we REALLY safe when our police officers are so wreckless in SUV's?

Perhaps more training and LESS gadgets in law enforcement is what is in order!

posted by NoPoliceSUVs at 10/12/2007 2:49:36 AM

Coming back to Charlottesville after two years away, I have noticed a much more aggressive police force, particularly around the downtown mall area. I really don't see why policing this area requires such aggression. Of course we need police officers, but I wish that a select few wouldn't act as if they were constantly about to face a riot or engage a gang in a street shootout. It's Charlottesville, not Hollywood.

posted by Tone It Down at 10/12/2007 5:51:48 AM

It must be really difficult to deal with the liberals, the college students, young people, and the other races and ethnicities that make up 90% of Charlottesville. They've had to deal with them ever since that darn liberal Jefferson built that darn school, foreigners started coming in the early 1600's, and people started having kids. So, if this particular officer is having trouble with the majority, is he trying to protect or monitor us? - very different mindsets. How many people in the force really feel this way? I hope that this event opens up a dialog within the Charlottesville community.

posted by Young College Liberal at 10/12/2007 7:35:13 AM

quote, by CopsAreHeros "Ms. Austin could have been very seriously injured when she was pushed..... Get rid of this rogue officer before The City gets a serious lawsuit and he does further disgrace to the uniform.

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Too late now. I suspect Ms. Austin has already been seriously injured. And there is no doubt in my mind there will be lawsuits coming around the bend from Silva and Austin.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 7:36:59 AM

I believe every word of that couple's story. I'm surprised officer Pendleton(chief Wiggins clone) wasn't involved. I had a nice run in with him last winter with my 4 year old, but I won't go there. As far as Longo. I can't believe he was a chief in Baltimore. He couldn't even be an assistant principle at one of our local elementary schools. Longo needs to pack it up.

posted by been there at 10/12/2007 7:41:35 AM

Tone It Down, the chief is ultimately responsible for what his men do. I too have noticed this Rambo aggression over the last several years. Talk to city council. Talk to the city manager. Tell them it's once again time to hire a new police chief.

God save the citizens if the local police ever get their hands on the new Dodge Charger police package with the Hemi V-8. These young rookies will be wrecking them and running over people at every intersection.

(And off topic, it's too bad the city doesn't phase out all the large gas guzzling V-8 Crown Victorias as well since they are embarking on a "take home" program now for all the troops.)

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 7:49:03 AM

been there, I don't think there's any dispute as to what happened. Silva was almost run over, lost his temper at the thoughts of him and his finacee being dragged under a police Jeep, and in the heat of the moment told the driver to "slow the f*** down!" It was too hard for the officer to get out and say, "Sir, Madam, I am sorry! Are both of yu OK?" He had to jump out and lay his Rambo tactics upon both of them. And as I said above, a local judicial officer called the officer a "hot dog" a few months ago and predicted a very poor future for his career. Looks like this judicial officer was right.

I don't think Longo was ever a chief in Baltimore. He was internal affairs. Some say he was the greatest thing since sliced bread and some say quite the opposite. None of this should have anything to do with whether Charlottesville has to keep him or not. We have gotten rid of chiefs in the recent past that couldn't control the troops. And I agree with you, Longo needs to pack up and move on. One $4 lawsuit being served this week, several more coming from Silva and Austin most likely. The bills are going to get right high for the city taxpayers.

Which reminds me of another off topic tale. Let's use Atlanta, Georgia as an example. If Atlanta PD has a loose cannon they would love to get rid of, they will give the person the best references you have ever seen.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 8:03:33 AM

My bad. That last reply was suppose to read $4 millon dollar lawsuit being served this week.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 8:05:45 AM

Hey, wait a second, why isn’t Captain Harding the spokesperson for the CPD when something goes wrong!?!

I mean Longo seems fit (to help him with his campaign) by putting him up on the TV every time a lawn ornament gets stolen in Cville, why isn’t he talking to the press about this incident!!!

Come on guys don’t waste all our hard earned tax dollars we have already spent on Harding for Sheriff, give him more TV time! We (tax payers) gotta win this for the man.

posted by hehehehe at 10/12/2007 8:14:41 AM

Who is Captain Harding? I thought Bibb is the captain.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 8:26:22 AM

there's two captains I suppose. the one who takes it on the chin when something goes wrong and the one who gets the credit when something goes right.

At least when there's an election on

posted by hehehehe at 10/12/2007 8:42:10 AM

Does anyone know how you can contact the Chief of Police? I went to the website and there is no email.....I want to write our congressman as well.......and he doesn't even have an email!! I find that very disturbing when we can't even contact our government with an email.

posted by ***Peace*** at 10/12/2007 9:02:04 AM

***Peace***, just watch for any public event where the NBC Channel 29 new crew and cameras will be present. HAHAHA!

His e-mail address is on the police web site somewhere. I think it's [email protected]

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 9:28:24 AM

I like that line from the Mel Gibson movie "Payback"..."Crooked cops, do they come any other way?" Damn right.

posted by Flat Foot at 10/12/2007 10:50:09 AM

Please Please ! Don't let these officers get away with this. My Son died and was only 26 by an officer just like this guy who was never repremanded for his actions and now he has killed someone. The longer he gets away with it the greater the danger of him killing someone. What does he do when there are no wittnesis " just think about that.No one acts like that unless it is allowed or encouraged, I say independant drug tests by an outside contractor monitered by the Federal goverment and the citizens of that City. They sure act like possible chemically dependant people to me.

posted by Mom at 10/12/2007 12:23:03 PM

I thought this was the United States of America !

If a regular citizen assulted someone in this manner there would be a horrible outcry and charges would be brought against them with extreme predjudice. I know many great Men who are good honest Police Officers, who do not deserve to have to work with these jerks, but the system protects these criminals and purcecute the ones that don't lie for them. Cowboy Up and turn your comrads in is all I have to say.

One Nation under God, with liberty and Justice for all. I don't think it means and no justice for people who are brutilized by the Police.

posted by Confused ! at 10/12/2007 12:44:23 PM

and yet, the police are apparently afraid to crack down on the people who would actually fight back (I guarantee you neither one of these young people were wearing white t-shirts!)

posted by voice of reason at 10/12/2007 1:42:55 PM

I tried two years ago to tell Longo that some of his men were getting out of control and creating very dangerous situations without cause, both the rookies and veteran officers. But he wouldn't listen. He passed my concerns along to Capt Bibb who never made any attempt to contact me whatsoever.

I currently have one of his officers named in a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

I hope Silva and Austin get out of town attorneys and seek some justice in this recent event.

posted by Steve at 10/12/2007 1:44:45 PM

Steve........Who would you recommend for an out of town lawyer to take cases as these?? It seems that no one wants to take the heat around here......What is Charlottesville coming to?

posted by Curious&Confused at 10/12/2007 1:54:09 PM

Charlottesville Police Captain Bryant Bibb says the department is "strictly apolitical."

If by that he means that only one political view is allowed he is correct. Bibb is a big Bushie, Harding is running as a Republican and Longo's yard is always filled with GOP signs, from Bush to Allen to Goode.

If he is trying to say that they are not political he is dead wrong. They hate the following: City Council, the Commonwealth Attoney's Office, the Judges and any other person they perceive to be either liberal or weak on crime.

posted by Kathy at 10/12/2007 1:55:00 PM

In my opinion cops are the leftovers from high school. It is not very often you hear of a top of their class high school student giving up college and their future to serve in law enforcement. Why would they? Rather than becoming a cop, many educated people apply their brain power that prevented them from getting their future income limiting C's in high school to useful and respected professions. I appreciate police who do there job and play by the rules, but when I used to get stopped for "looking to young at such a late hour" it crossed the line. Cops know when they are doing things wrong, they do it anyways. Isn't that the definition of an idiot?

posted by C is for Cops at 10/12/2007 2:34:28 PM

I have no idea how the people in charge of the force are appointed/elected. It seems that a lot of people here are upset at this and past incidents. Could someone who knows the system explain how the police force leadership is appointed, by whom, and who could be pressured to change things?

posted by Looking For Answers at 10/12/2007 2:43:51 PM

This couple should consider themselves lucky. Not too long ago Sgt Greenwood killed a pedestian crossing the street in a county police SUV. I wasn't at either of these events but I still question how a trained officer was incapable not braking, sounding a horn, seeing or steering away from a pedestian who successfully crossed 3 lanes before being hit. I'm no Jeff Gordon but with my headlights on doing less than 35 MPH I can easily avoid hitting anything crossing my path especially deer which move ALOT faster than a 62 year old lady on a cell phone. Now either Greenwood didnt have headlights on, didn't think pedestians have right of way, was also on a cell phone/radio/computer, was sipping coffee/donut, speeding or asleep at the wheel but I find it very hard to believe a death could not have been avoided. We will never know now will we since their brothers in uniform(state police) said Greenwood had nothing to do with this accident.

The county needs to invest in SUV's with headlights that illuminate farther than 10 feet...mine go at least 200 feet!

Are we REALLY safe when our police officers are so wreckless in SUV's?

Perhaps more training and LESS gadgets in law enforcement is what is in order!

posted by Reposter :) at 10/12/2007 3:16:09 PM

Where is the our goverment at. Do they not see what the heck is going on in America. Terrorism by our own Law inforcements around the Country. How did it get this far? Take a look at badcops.com and you will be absoulutly horrified.

posted by I love my Country ! at 10/12/2007 3:29:45 PM

How would anybody be able to see any political signs in Longo's yard? He and his neighbors park their numerous vehicles totally up on the sidewalks. $350,000 to $400,000 homes and no street parking. What a joke!

I guess once the city incorporates the street, the parking on the sidewalks will be outlawed like in the rest of the city.

Or if the city has already incorporated the street, most of the residents on the street are violating the law already, including Cheif Longo.

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I think badcops.com has now become badcopnews.com

copwatch.net is out there too.

These web sites will certainly open the publics eyes. There's hundreds of cops being arrested every day nationwide.

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The chief is pretty much appointed by the City Manager and City Council. Only they can decide it's time for a new face as chief.

The officers are hired by the chief and his staff. This is why you see so many "sons of cops" and "sons of former cops" working there now.

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posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 4:23:32 PM

Without having been there, I don't know what exactly was said, or what exactly happened, but what I do know, is that any officer should work professionally and courteously in every situation, unless it is a situation of imminent threat or danger.

It sounds like this officer went way over the line to me, something I have seen numerous times before in traffic related situations. Don't get me wrong, I know multiple officers who I would trust my life with in any situation. I know Blair personally (she is my Organic Chemistry lab partner at PVCC), and consider this to be an outrageous and overzealous, temper-driven trumped up situation.

Honestly, what kind of human being acts forcefully upon a female in a situation like this where no significant force was used upon him (as far as I know)? What kind of morals does this man have? If this man is married, say he and his wife get into a fight and she yells at him, would he shove her to the ground like a criminal? Why not, if he can do it to strangers... Sounds like a man that should be charged with assault and battery to me.

Our great country is based on a system of checks and balances, and unfortunately for Charlottesville, this isn't happening as much as it needs to. I will be much happier when I hear the news that Officer Flaherty has been released of his duties. I wish the best of luck to you and your fiancée in this fight Blair...

posted by Jacob at 10/12/2007 4:35:37 PM

Jacob, the city can't relieve the officer of his duties. To do so is the same as the city admitting wrongdoing on his behalf. Which means they might as well hand Silva and Austin a blank check.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 5:04:41 PM

You really can't compare this to the Pam Greenwood incident.

We don't have any evidence Greenwood acted improperly, it was just a freak thing on a dark road, I don't think she is exactly happy about it.

Now this thing in the city with Flaherty, is absurd. Lots of witnesses. He was on the way to hot call, but had time to stop and settle the score with an angry taxpayer?

He's toast. Mark my words, he's going to get fired, at least if Longo has an sense of self preservation. Longo is a Republican, so he's proboably not that chummy with City Council anyway.

The way I see this, either this bad cop gets fired or Longo finds himself on the street and the city paying a big civil settlement.

posted by J. Wilson at 10/12/2007 6:32:53 PM

I love how every time a "bad" incident involving the Charlottesville Police hits the news, Channel 29 NBC shows up with a news report about how well the local city police prepare for and do their job. It's no coincidence.

Tonight was no different on the 6:00 p.m. news. A long news report about how they prepare for and train for critical incidents.

How did Channel 29 NBC miss the Silva and Austin event and never report a thing about it?

Longo appears to have most of the local media wrapped around his finger. All except The Hook it appears!

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/12/2007 6:52:15 PM

I have known both Blair and Richard for many. They are the kind of people you are blessed to have in your life. Blair Austin is extremely studious and has been working hard for the past years at accomplishing her life-long dream of being a chiropractor. Richard has been away for 3 years fighting for our country. If you only knew the sacrifices he has undergone to maintain our freedom. Are these the profiles of unruly citizen?

I wish anyone wanting to question their actions could meet them for just one hour. I am sure you will truly understand they would not be capable of any malice or lack of judgment.

The officer obviously needs more training on how to operate a GOVERNMENT-ISSUED VEHICLE. I think as punishment he should be issued neon moped (neon for high-visibility) equipment with a squirt gun (Lord knows if he can't drive then he can't be trusted with a firearm).

posted by John Evans at 10/12/2007 7:20:15 PM

Sick of the local rambos...........WOW!!! You are so right!! Why isn't anyone else running this story??

posted by ***Peace*** at 10/13/2007 8:23:08 AM

Lets talk about "PROTECT AND SERVE", First let me say Blair is our niece and Richard is about to become one of our family members. Back to "protect and serve", The article does not reflect the time and effort that Richard spent "SERVING" in the military,"PROTECTING" our country and the Constitutional rights that this Barny Fife police officer is sworn to uphold. Richard has put his life on the line for these rights; something this officer might need to learn. Blair has entered into a career that will ask her to "SERVE" the needs of the community. She will be required to "PROTECT" those who are ill or in pain. With that said a citizen may find themselves asking for from these two young people in the future, just as they may need help from the police officer involved in this incident. Ask yourself which will you feel most comfortable calling on at that point in time. True we have a bias in this situation, but these are two people of which we are extremely proud. We hope that they can put tis travesty of justice behind them, but we also hope they find the best legal representation available. We will be watching and worrying about them until they get their day in court and justice.

posted by James & Peggy Baxley at 10/13/2007 8:39:59 AM

James & Peggy, because the taxpayers foot the bill, the city has unlimited resources in fighting any lawsuit filed against them. And they generally fight tooth and nail until a judge finally sets a date for a jury trial. Only after a lawsuit is fil3ed and a jury trial date has been set will the family ever obtain any justice in this event. It will take 3, 4, 5 or 6 years to get to this point after the lawsuit is filed.

And don't file in the lawsuit in Charlottesville. A Charlottesville jury will not rule against their own police officers. Because they assume they will ultimately end up paying the judgment as Charlottesville taxpayers.

Seek out an attorney who will take this case on a contingency basis. They are out there, especially in an obvious police brutality case such as this.

If everything in the story above is true, do not settle out of court. Bring the witnesses to court and let the jury hear how this punk thug coward knocked a young lady to the ground without cause.

Out of every story The Hook has ever published, this has to be the worst. It makes me furious every I scroll up and read it again. I just can't believe a grown man with a badge and gun knocking a young girl to the ground.

I hope Blair and Richard seek their justice in this case.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/13/2007 8:58:28 AM

I am amazed that some people believe evertything they see in print and immediately call for people to be fired. Something sounds fishy to me, when I read that 12 wonderful witnesses are so concerned, but not one of them picked up her purse, including her friends. And yet one of the purse-non-picker-uppers is willing to come back from California to testify? Sounds like drunk-talk to me. Did anyone record the event on his ubiquitous cell phone camera? Some of the various rationales expressed on this blog is why I would not want a trial by jury unless I was totally guilty. By the way, many of the police officers in Charlottesville and Albemarle have college degrees and Longo, in fact, has a law degree.

posted by Cville Eye at 10/14/2007 9:55:31 PM

Actually, Blair's purse was picked up by her friends. When she was pushed, her purse and everything in it went flying. Her camera and ID were missing out of her purse, due to the violent push. These items were returned to her the following day.

The only thing that is fishy seems to be the officer and his temper.

posted by Stop The Violence at 10/15/2007 12:18:30 AM

Cville Eye, I'm not sure somebody having a law degree and going to work as a cop many years ago is a ringing endorsement. Could he not make it in the system as an attorney? Did he not want to? Please explain. Sure, he has the system beat now. What does the police chief in Charlottesville make now, $100,000 a year maybe? Or is it more? (It was $75,000 a decade ago)

When you have 12 witnesses (your count, not mine) who claim a young girl never touched a police officer, and one or two police reports which might say she did by now, who do you think the jury is going to believe?

You are right abut the video. Without a video and due to the 2007 version of "The Thin Blue Line", the truth will never be known. (Many years ago "The Thin Blue Line" meant so few officers trying to do so much with limited resources. I'm sure you know what it means in 2007.)

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/15/2007 8:28:00 AM

The solution is rather simple. The Commonweatlth Attorney calls for a citizen panel to investigate police matters. No more internal investigations. He has this power under the Virginia Constitution.

The public's confidence in the police will be restored and the police will think before they act when the wolf is no longer guarding the hen house.

In fact, the public will find that most of our local police are amazingly professional.

This is a win-win for the police and the community.

posted by David Riddick at 10/15/2007 2:53:56 PM

From reading the blogs written by you fine people, I am able to determine that Charlottesville police officers have, short penises, an inability to learn and obtain high level jobs, an average intelligence, never seved their country or community, and run over people with SUV's. Oh, and they are scared of people in white t-shirts and can't make it in teh real world.

They obviously have a low intelligence level if they are serving these citizens.

posted by Amazed at 10/15/2007 3:36:47 PM

C is for Cop,

Are you saying being a police officer is not a repected proffesion? Or, you just don't respect it?

posted by Hoo at 10/15/2007 3:59:46 PM

You've about summed it up, Amazed.

posted by juicyfruit at 10/15/2007 4:02:28 PM

Does this rationale apply to all the cops in Charlottesville, or just Flaherty? I am still amazed how you (juicyfruit) know all these cops on such an intimate level. None of them served their country? Wow! Where do you guys find these cops?

You are amazing.

posted by Amazed at 10/15/2007 4:39:46 PM

BTW, the officer in question has a masters degree in sociology so I'm told. So much for the theory of badge wearing non educated neanderthals roaming the streets of Charlottesville. I believe Amazed was being sarcastic, to YOU juicy.

Drunks do stupid things. Cops do stupid things too sometimes. Let the investigation take it's course and those that were not there need to shut up, period.

posted by Think Before Speaking at 10/15/2007 4:44:07 PM

David, I like YOUR thinking. But the commonwealth attorney doesn't want to and will not diss the chief. Just like if a *civilian* calls the state police in a case like this, the state police say they are no longer in the business of investigating other cops, they don't want to diss the chief either.

Let the investigation take it's course? Like I said, you have the fox investigating who raided the hen house. What a effin joke! Why doesn't Longo ask an independent unbiased agency to come in and investigate the incident? He had no problem with other agencies stepping in when he wanted to take Fitzgerald and Saunders out of commission last year.

And those that were not there need to shut up, period? No can do, Cville Eye. This is fun.

A degree in sociology, eh? Once again proves the theory perhaps.... book sense and no common sense. Common sense would dictate maintaining one's temper, getting out of the Jeep, and apolgizing to two people he had almost just run over. While at the same time making sure they were OK. But we all know Silva had just committed "contempt of cop" by cursing the cop. "Street Justice", "Contempt Of Cop", etc.... they aren't just fictitious terms somebody dreamed up last week.

Hoo, being a police officer was once a respected profession. Incidents such as this are changing things rather quickly. I don't have any more respect for a police officer than I do for the men who pick up my trash on Mondays. The cops around here are their own worst enemy.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/15/2007 5:19:27 PM

Sick, Are you saying you don't respect people who pick up your trash? What does a person have to do for your respect?

I guess respect for a person is defined by their profession.

Picking up your trash and putting up with it, obviously doesn't deserve respect.

Maybe you have to walk out in front of a police car while its going to a call with its lights on. Then tell the cop to "slow the f*** down". Respectful?

posted by Hoo at 10/15/2007 6:12:16 PM

While the musings of some here regarding this topic have been thoughtful, it is now rather apparent that "Sick" has a major case of the a** for Longo in particular and little regard for public servants in general, much less cops. Seems to me he's a typical urban elitist "illuminati" type which Charlottesville is filled to the brim with.

One more time..cops DO make mistakes but if were a cop, I sure as hell would not want "Sick" on a "citizen" panel.

posted by think before speaking at 10/15/2007 7:41:31 PM

That's not what I said at all, Hoo. I said I have as much respect for a police officer as I do for the men who pick up my garbage. Wearing a badge and gun in 2007 doesn't solicit a bit more respect in my book. It wasn't like this until recently as far as I am concerned. I thought we could honor, respect and trust police officers. Not so anymore. Let me remind you that the second in command at the Albemarle County Police Department was arrested, charged and convicted a few years back for soliciting juveniles for sex on the Internet. Another (Sgt) was fired for filing false speedometer calibrations on the troop's patrol cars. What if you had received a speeding ticket during this time frame? Several others have recently been fired for domestic abuse. The list goes on and on. Both city and county officers.

Let's put the shoe on the other foot. I'll bet if a local trash truck had almost run over two citizens in a crosswalk the driver would have stopped and apologized to the people, whether the people told the trash truck driver to "slow the f*** down" or not. The difference is the trash truck driver doesn't have the power of arrest to abuse and retaliate with. There is no unwritten law concerning "contempt of a trash truck driver."

Think before speaking, yes, I have head dealings with Longo. I am not impressed with him or his chain of command. They won't look into concerns or return phone calls with any type of explanation when a question is asked of them.

Charlottesville PD has (and has had) some fine officers. But as I said, they are the veteran seasoned officers, not the rookie rambos. And most of the veteran officers I speak with or have spoken with recently are counting the days, hours and minutes until they can retire. Several close friends of mine within the department just retired, they were all counting the days, hours and minutes until they could leave what they called "the mess". They all told me the department has gone to hell in a handbasket.

It's going to be interesting to see what happens in this particular case. I hope Silva and Austin didn't hold back when they explained to the media what really took place this evening. Only time will tell. Or the entire thing will be swept under the rug and we might never know what happens. Either way, I think Longo has problems in his department. And I hope he knows it. It's just hard to fix I suppose, because they can't even attract new applicants now. Maybe they need to do what many police departments nationwide have had to do.... lower standards even further.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/15/2007 8:36:32 PM

Dang,I'm agreeing with you again.It IS hard to fix Sick, and these problems are nationwide, not just here. Seems to me they might consider upgrading standards instead of lowering them. I know a few cops too, one a UVA grad.

Here, unlike in many Northern Virginia departments, CPD has zero educational incentive pay and no pay scale at all.The ones "just getting by" make the same salary increases as the "good ones" doing their best. Apparently compression in pay is a huge problem also with the starting pay raised to get new hires while people with 5 years on are making very little more than the starters. Pay still lags when compared to the cost of living.

I have to say though that Longo DOES try to do his best, but he IS surrounded by a few who are more self serving than public serving, both in his own department and in City government. And THAT problem is nationwide also.

But Charlottesville IS a peculiar place, swimming in socialist thought, where a large portion of the population has a disdain for ANY police and ANY form of "authority". Mind you, reasoned and healthy debate is a foundation of our country. However disdain should be "earned" through individual incompetence, not merely due to wearing of the badge. A lot of the "good" cops feel they are "crapped on" by the public right out of the gate before they even are able to resolve a problem. Due to this stereotyping, the weak ones then get "attitudes" and the patient ones count their days toward retirement.

posted by think before speaking at 10/15/2007 9:31:47 PM

Here are the questions to ask Flaherty:

Where were you going in such a hrry as to endanger the populace during an evening dinner time when the streets known to be crowded?

If that was so important as to endanger so many people why did you stop to arrest someone for shouting an obcenity?

Do you think gettimg so mad at someone hollering at you that you ignore an important police call to deal with it is a professional thing to do?

If you go so crazy when someone hollers at you for almost running them over how will you react when a real criminal tells you he "f"ed your mother?

Do you think it is fair to all of the other officers who can hold their temper to have to work twice as hard to gain the citizens trust becuase you can't handle a heckler?

Why don't you do us all a favor and resign for the good of the department?

posted by al caholic at 10/15/2007 9:41:08 PM

Think, it's OK to agree with me occasionally. Let's not make it a habit though. HAHAHA!

I suppose you have finally noticed my user name. And finally understand who I am actually fed up with moreso. But I still subscribe to the theory that the man at the top is responsible for anything his men do. When a top judicial figure says an officer is a critical incident and lawsuit looking for a place to happen, the chief should cerainly be aware of it. If the chief is not aware of it there's a problem right at the top office. How can a top judicial figure notice and comment on such things while the department and chief have no clue anything is out of place? With an extensive background in internal affairs I can't imagine a chief not at least seeing some of the danger signs in certain officers. Maybe there are none.

I still haven't gotten over a now retired judge's comment a few years back. Upon leaving the courtroom and entering his chambers he said he could not believe an entire local police department, from the chief down to the rookie, had come into his court and committed perjury before him. It was very shortly after this comment that the judge hung his robe up and retired. When this judge asked a police captain a question, the captain couldn't look the judge eye to eye and answer him. The captain looked down at the floor as he told his little white lies in open court with an audience. Everybody in the courtroom noticed this. This was the beginning of a bad taste in my mouth for local law enforcement.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/15/2007 10:06:53 PM

al caholic, if somebody shouts out what you said in your fourth question above, that is "aggravated and premeditated contempt of cop". The street justice is much more severe. The officer is allowed to use a taser, nightstick, pepper spray and rubber bullets. All at the same time. And the cuffs go on so tight your wrists will be bruised for 3 weeks.

(guess I got carried away, couldn't help myself! LOL!)

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/15/2007 10:19:22 PM

Sick, What case did the Charlottesville police department do this? "he said he could not believe an entire local police department, from the chief down to the rookie, had come into his court and committed perjury before him".

I was starting to really look at your opinions and saw your point until your last blog. Speaking from experience?

Nobody tells a trash man to slow the F*** down, because a trash man will get off his truck and beat their a**. Trash men are great.

posted by Hoo at 10/16/2007 10:34:35 AM

Hoo, I didn't say Charlottesville Police Department in the last example above. I said a "local police department."

Everything I stated is true. The defendant was found not guilty of the drummed up self serving criminal charge placed against him (long story). The judge left the courtroom, entered his chambers and made the remark to his baliff. The judge retired shortly after this. Was his retirement a coincidence? Only he can answer that question. But the pieces sure fit together quite well, don't they?

In a public forum people have to be real careful about libel. This includes myself of course. Anything I submit here I can prove through various witnesses and facts. Did the judge make the remark? The baliff said he did. Did he retire shortly afterwards? Yes. Would the judge recall making the remark? I am almost certain he would. I think the judge will recall this particular case for the rest of his life. I think the case really struck a nerve with him. In my opinion, I personally think the judge had trouble dealing with any criminal case in which police officers testified under oath after this one.

Speaking from experience? Sure am. I was sitting in the courtroom. Also present was a local magistrate who couldn't believe some of the testimony he was hearing from police officers. He also knew they were not telling the truth.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/16/2007 11:26:16 AM

I just want to know why a police officer would stop from responding to a call and address Mr. Silva, regardless of what was said. If the officer was in his vehicle, how could he hear Mr. Silva anyways? I know Richard and Blair personally, and they don't cause or get into trouble.

A man pushing a woman is wrong to begin with, but when a supposedly educated man does it, it just seems so much worse. Not to mention that he is an Officer of the law. Blair Austin was assaulted and proper action should be taken against the officer. Charges should be brought against him, and he should lose his job. Get rid of the bad apples!!

posted by GA Friend at 10/16/2007 11:52:01 AM

Most of you seem to have forgotten that being drunk in public is a crime. A crime which I'm sure would have been overlooked had Austin and Silva not put themselves and others in danger by stumbling out into traffic. If a bum had staggered out into the street and cussed out a cop for simply doing his job, that person would have been arrrested as well, and I doubt we would hear outcries of injustice. Our police officers are in a highly dangerous profession. If someone is acting aggressively towards them, they need to act accordingly. You can't advance on a cop screaming drunkenly without some kind of repercussion. Their lives are on the line. And I'm sorry, but I just dont believe this girl was shoved to the ground. Let's all remember, she was drunk and wearing heels. Don't you think that could've contributed to the situation? Let's not be too quick to pass judgement.

posted by e.r.nurse at 10/16/2007 11:52:37 AM

Actually they were at a crosswalk and the only person that seems to have put anyone in danger is the officer. Richard and Blair didn't call the police........the police aggressivly came to them...putting them in danger.

e.r.nurse........I was not there that night and neither were you, but what I do know is that Richard and Blair respect the law and have a lot of friends in Law enforcement.....They would never come upon someone screaming violently, or give an officer reason to assault them. What has happened here is wrong, and all I'm saying is that someone needs to be held accountable for their actions. From the comments that I have read, that doesn't seem to happen in Charlottesville, VA. Maybe your officers need to learn some southern hospitality or like was stated above...go to Iraq and take out some aggression on insurgents!!!

posted by GA Friend at 10/16/2007 12:17:41 PM

Excuse me ernurse, they are accused of being drunk in public. They have not been convicted. And I seriously doubt if you will ever see them convicted of drunk in public. The cases have been continued to 11/13/07 at 10:35AM. The cases will probably be continued again if Silva and Austin have hired an attorney.

Austin and Silva appear to be far from the local homeless bums. They bring their business into the City of Charlottesville. Something the city government and businesses encourage and pray for. And this is the way they are treated in return. They weren't falling down drunk and obnoxious. They were walking to their car with a designated driver with them. I bet they and their numerous friends never return to the Charlottesville mall again. Just another nail in the coffin for the downtown mall and businesses.

Shouting at a reckless driving police officer is perhaps a mild form of "road rage." Pedestrian vs motorist. It's far from acting "aggressively."

I get so tired of the "dangerous profession" tag that goes along with police work. Police work is not even in the top 10 of the most dangerous professions.

And public swearing works both ways. I have observed police officers curse civilians without cause.

We do agree on the high heel shoes thing though. Citizens shouldn't wear them in public. A police officer might come along and smack the girls off balance very easily.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/16/2007 12:20:22 PM

e.r.nurse:

So you're calling Blair Austin a liar?

posted by No Nurse at 10/16/2007 12:24:28 PM

C'mon people! WHO doesn't know by now that MOST police officers are to be treated the same way you'd act if you suddenly encountered a slithering hissing snake in the grass: Back off slowly and as quietly and unintrusively as possible, keeping a very low profile and being as discreetly QUIET as possible---after all you are possibly encountering a mortal danger to your life! EVERYBODY knows this by now--the year is 2007 and I don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto!!!

posted by DeeZ at 10/16/2007 12:46:55 PM

SeeZ, I am afraid you are correct. And it's very sad.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/16/2007 1:55:24 PM

A good question was asked over at cvillenews.com - what happened to the "call" that the officer was rushing to get to?

There is a story going around that Flaherty had a ride-along with him and was excited to turn her on with his cop masculinity. Seems to be something to look into since there hasn't been anything written about someone being in his vehicle.

posted by Lynette at 10/16/2007 2:44:48 PM

I hope the courtroom is PACKED!!!

It would be nice to see that midget of a prosecuter squirm for once.

He is another "story" that needs to be told.

posted by al coholic at 10/16/2007 2:58:26 PM

The story is.... another police officer was dealing with a domestic dispute near the downtown mall and asked for another officer. Flaherty responded to help and while on the way was told his assistance was no longer needed. Supposedly, he was told this about the time he encountered Richard and Blair. He heard someone tell him to slow the "F" down and stopped to address it. He then found Richard to be intoxicated and was in the process of arresting him. Blair approached him while he was making the arrest and he pushed her back. Blair fell to the ground and was arrested by a second officer who showed up.

I have not heard anything about a female passenger.

Does driving fast with blue lights turn women on?

posted by JDoe at 10/16/2007 3:04:28 PM

This type of jack booted police abuse of power is an absolute outrage! This nonsense has become way too prevalent. This is the USA not the USSA.

The increasingly widespread authoritarian, militant robocop mentality absolutely cannot be tolerated and must be dealt with by any means necessary. The cops involved in this incident are nothing more than criminal street gang with the presumed legitimacy that comes along with a uniform, badge and gun. Ever wonder why people hate cops??? FTP!

posted by Carl Drega at 10/16/2007 3:26:54 PM

Wow!! That's all that happened JDoe?? HHHHMMMMMMMMM...........

I guess Richard and Blair are lying, along with the witnesses, and let's not forget the article.

Well I am driving all the way from GA to be in that Charlottesville, VA courtroom on November 13, at 10am. People in GA want to know if Officers in Charlottesville, VA are allowed to assault young women and treat citizens as if they have no rights!!

I encourage all of you to be there.....

posted by GA Friend at 10/16/2007 3:44:33 PM

I have no idea if that is all that happened. I was not there. That is just the story I have been told. I did not take sides. I was merely answering the question, "What happened to the original call?". I am not calling anyone a liar. Please calm down, GA. Wow, these things get way out of control!

posted by JDoe at 10/16/2007 4:44:18 PM

GA Friend, it will probably be continued again. Check the docket online before you drive up.

link http://208.210.219.132/vadistrict/select.jsp

Select Charlottesville General District Court and enter either Silva or Austin.

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Carl Drega, you got it.

The largest street gang in America....

.............. the boys in blue.

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John Doe, what you have repeated sounds like the official police report to me. Doesn't mean any of it is accurate or true necessarily. Way too often when "assistance needed" is cancelled, the troops continue running wide open anyway. I heard Sgt. Randy Higgins call several down the other night and remind them an emergency response had been cancelled and for them to slow their butts down. The Silva/Austin thing was probably still fresh in Higgin's mind.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/16/2007 6:15:32 PM

If the cops cleared the streets of everyone who had a drink with dinner the mall would quickly become a ghost town for lack of patrons.

If the cops cleared the streets of everyone that used the F word in public jesse jackson and al sharpton would be here tomorrow.

I recall a major ruling that said that police cannot arrest someone for public utterances that are "obcene" unless there is a citizen complaint. police are not allowed to be offended in order to not allow freedom of speech.

I would be THRILLED if they used that defense at trial and won.

posted by egg amuffin at 10/16/2007 9:15:23 PM

Egg, this is the Virginia code:

§ 18.2-388. Profane swearing and intoxication in public; penalty; transportation of public inebriates to detoxification center.

If any person profanely curses or swears or is intoxicated in public, whether such intoxication results from alcohol, narcotic drug or other intoxicant or drug of whatever nature, he shall be deemed guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor. In any area in which there is located a court-approved detoxification center a law-enforcement officer may authorize the transportation, by police or otherwise, of public inebriates to such detoxification center in lieu of arrest; however, no person shall be involuntarily detained in such center.

(Code 1950, § 18.1-237; 1960, c. 358; 1964, c. 434; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1979, c. 654; 1982, c. 666; 1983, c. 187; 1990, c. 965.)

Half the cops in the USA would have a criminal record if citizens were to run to the Magistrate's Office and obtain warrants for them every time they cursed in the line of duty. The biggest hurdle in the Charlottesville-Albemarle area is the fact magistrates will not very often write warrants for police officers. The magistrates almost always refer the request to obtain a warrant against a police officet to the Chief Magistrate. And the Chief Magistrate will often refer the complainant directly to a judge who can write the warrant.

Wasn't too awful long ago that a magistrate, Elizabeth Doudera, witnessed a cop assault a defendant in her office. She swore to a warrant. The warrant was dismissed later in court. So you have to ask yourself, why even bother when police officers pretty much have "diplomatic immunity" in the end. If the magistrate's word isn't good enough that a police officer assaulted a citizen in her presense, whose word would be good enough for a conviction?

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/16/2007 10:22:19 PM

Here is a link to an article where a guy swore at a public meeting. The Federal appeals court ruled that the cops were wrong. Free speech reigns.

The ACLU is also siding with a woman who swore in front of her neighbor (not at her) who was an off duty cop. (google "woman swears at toilet")

here is the link:

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/articles/2007/020407SwearingMan.html

posted by egg amuffin at 10/16/2007 11:22:11 PM

Thank God for the Hook. No other news organization, TV newspaper, is even mentioning the bullying and Nazi tactics used by the police in this county! And, oh yes, there are many other instances of this type of behavior. This county is sewn up tight in favor of bullying and illegal law enforcement. All citizens are suffering, whether they know it or not. I know I would NOT call law enforcement in this county for ANY reason. I might well get locked up for being an inconvenience.

WHO can we call on to stem this tide of Nazism?

I was talking to a former law officer about this pattern of behavior in Albemarle county, and the former officer told me that, yes, the cops are out to get you. Beware, and they don't even have to be right in this county. They, obviously will issues charges for NO valid reason. And what does this mean to the average citizen? Legal fees, time lost, right or wrong-embarrassment, and even if the charges are dismissed or you are found to be not guilty-a permanent record that can effect the rest of your life. Please note the Jim Camblos coffee mug-save legal fees-plead guilty!

Some of the courts her make up thier own laws-Please take notice of Judge Johnson, who sentenced soccer Mom to 8, yes 8 years for having a teenage party that served alcohol. This was a first offense misdemeanor.

We have a district attorney, Jim Camblos, who decides who to prosecute based upon connections and political aspirations. Please note all the persons being charged after terrible car accidents-Certainly NOT the cop who killed the pedestrian, absolutely no charges Take heed fellow future victims of law enforcement.

I am ready. I will fight this stupid system. NOW, where do I sign up?

posted by Yet another police victim, at 10/17/2007 1:19:40 AM

Police Victim, trust me on this, the former officer you spoke with was telling you the truth. A $4 million dollar lawsuit was served late yesterday afternoon against one of Longo's patrol sergeants (the same sergeant that led his own department on a high speed pursuit while off duty one night and crashed his personal car during this pursuit). It's also the same lawsuit currently pending against Charlottesville deputy sheriff Mike Baird. The two basically "implicated" a 50+ year old 220 pound white male Charlottesville resident with salt/pepper hair and a mustache (former deputy sheriff for almost 3 decades) for a crime that took place in Alexandria, Virginia. The suspect in the crime was a 20-ish year old 140 pound hispanic male with black hair and no mustache. An officer in Alexandria changed the original report of the crime to reflect the Charlottesville resident's descriptors. I'm sure when this goes to a jury trial the evidence will clearly show it was personal vendettas being acted out against the former deputy sheriff by Charlottesville city employees.

The 50+ year old Charlottesville resident and former deputy sheriff had never been to Alexandria in his life. Once the warrant arrived in Charlottesville to be served he was picked up by Charlottesville police rookie rambos and treated like a common criminal. This was a former deputy sheriff with no criminal record or violent tendancies whatsoever, picked up and handcuffed right in front of his wife and then 12-year-old daughter. Funny thing about it, the Charlottesville resident never had to utter one single word in court before the charges were tossed out. The judge could clearly see what was going on. He was no fool.

2 Charlottesville officers drove to Alexandria on your tax dime to testify the person's home looked like a bunker, whatever the hell that was suppose to mean. Adolf Hitler, bunker? Really trying to lay it on thick for the judge. They also testified he had weapons in his home and "police radios" like the Charlottesville Police Department uses. My God, these rookie Rambos don't even know it's legal for citizens to own two way Motorola radios I guess. They also testifed they couldn't see in the windows of this residence. February evening at 10:30 p.m., 18 degrees outside, and the deputy sheriff was suppose to leave his blinds and doors open so the cops could peep in. They were basically saying they couldn't commit a crime becauser the deputy sheriffs windows, door and blinds were closed, peeping tom is a crime!

They parked their police vehicles a block away out of sight. All the former deputy sheriff could see was 3 men outside wearing dark clothing at 10:30 p.m. and circling his house on foot. He almost went to the door with a firearm in his hands, suspecting yet another home invasion in Charlottesville about to take place. Imagine what could have happened because of their Rambo tactics. What was wrong with parking a marked police car right in front of the former deputy sheriff's house? All of this over nothing more than a Class 1 misdemeanot warrant that was basically a false arrest from the beginning.

If and when Silva and Austin get to the point of filing lawsuits in their cases, this will be 4 lawsuits against 3 city employees in 2 events. The **taxpayers** end up paying the cops legal fees for years while all the lawsuits are pending.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 9:45:25 AM

What has happened to the police? I remember when I was growing up (not oh so long ago) and being told to go to the police if you get lost, need help, etc. I don't think I am going to tell my children to do so as you don't know what kind of "help" you will get from the police anymore. It may not be much different than trusting a stranger to help you.

You can't justify abusive actions by the police by saying they have a tough job. This is a new phenomena (the rogue actions of police). Maybe this is happening because other police are getting away with it and they know they probably will also. I personally could not be a police officer because I have somewhat of a "short fuse" and I recognize that. My husband is a recruiter and they have assessment tests to see if the applicant's personality would be a "fit". There are some people whose personality does not "fit" the job of police officer and should not be able to become one.

posted by think at 10/17/2007 12:55:55 PM

Another comment. I think it should be required in the United States that in order to graduate from high school, people should have to pass a test on the Constitution. If everyone, including the police, knew what an individual's rights were, perhaps these types of incidents would not happen as much. Also, remember that the police are supposed to work for the people. We pay their salaries. The government is supposed to be a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. If the people don't stand up and do something, who will??

I don't believe there is enough done in the schools to teach about how our country was founded and the principles upon which it was founded. If you don't know the Constitution and the history of our country, you should. It is awesome!!!! The people that drafted the Constitution were great patriots. They risked a lot for our country. Are we just going to let it go?

posted by think at 10/17/2007 1:05:50 PM

Numerous idiots talking about things they have no facts about. Just jibber jabbering like mindless fools. Are any of you dating Britney Spears? *lol*

Know what the facts are before you babble, or else you're sure to look like a common fool.

posted by Counting at 10/17/2007 2:54:00 PM

think, there is no Constitution any longer. Look around at what the federal government can do now because of terrorism. They can pretty much do as they damn well please. I talked to a man the other day who had his bank accounts, investments and monies attached and frozen because his name matched a name on some terrorism list the feds have. He couldn't even buy groceries and pay his monthly bills until he straightened this mess up. That's right, the feds seize his property and he has to fight to get it back.

The states and localities have taken it upon themselves to pretty much go the same route in my opinion. Once you are detained by the police, you have no rights whatsoever nowadays. Just try and tell a cop you pay their salary and know your rights and see what happens. You will land in jail for "contempt of cop". The official charge will be disorderly conduct or some other foolishness they can dream up. Maybe the charges will be public intoxication and public swearing, like in the Silva and Austin cases.

I think these attitudes have backfired in the faces of law enforcement officers though. I read on the AOL site yesterday that the brutal violent murder of police officers has increaed 54% this year over last year. This is a rather distrubing trend if it continues. Something is causing this. Perhaps people ARE fighting back.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 3:14:43 PM

Counting, I wish I was dating Britney Spears. I would have enough money to put a new police chief in office and change things in this community.

Just for the record, I don't think anybody in Charlottesville expects a competent investigation or any discipline in the Silva/Austin case.

Having said the above, you can now tell us what you know. As you said, we're just all fools. We don't know what kind of explanation or defense has been dreamed up to sweep this thing under the rug and make it go away.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 3:23:55 PM

This is kinda off topic, but indirectly related to this discussion. I hope the citizens in this area took notice of the ruling Judge Bouton made in Greene County yesterday.

Judge Bouton ruled people can resist illegal arrests by police officers, but can not resist a simple investigatory stop. What a can of worms this is. Can you imagine what would happen if somebody were to resist an illegal arrest by these newfangled rookie Rambos out on the streets nowadays?

I know a boy who could have resisted a rookie Rambo illegal arrest a while back. But he used his head instead. He cooperated with the cops.... and then sued them all when the false criminal charges were laughed out of court.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 5:11:21 PM

Sick Of The Local Rambos- What are the civil avenues for stupid arrests? If you are charged with something, and had it dismissed in court, on what basis can you sue? And who do you sue? The individual officer, or the entire department? What are the implications of this type of action? Please provide any advise you have.

posted by Yet another police victim at 10/17/2007 7:04:16 PM

Police Victim, I am not an attorney and can therefore not give good competent legal advice. And it's also a very hard set of questions to answer anyway. And I also think good competent legal advice would have to be given on a one by one basis. Every event or circumstance is different in many ways.

My personal feelings, and according to what we know so far, and this is very important clause-- what we know so far, it's pretty obvious at least to me, that the Silva/Austin case was an officer's retaliation for being cursed at after he made a mistake. This was what is commonly referred to in police circles as "contempt of cop". We need to wait and see what happens in court though. I don't think the GDC judge will hand any convictions down. Unless there's a lot more to this story than we have been told. Later, if a lawsuit arises, there is no doubt in my mind that a jury is going to take a very dim view on the offier's actions whether he was cursed at or not after almost running over two citizens with a police Jeep. There seems to be some hinting around now (by author Counting) that Austin got what she deserved. This certainly remains to be seen.

When you say "stupid arrests" I immediately think of "false arrest" and "malicious prosecution". These are usually fairly easy claims to prove. For example, Det Joe doesn't like Johnny because he found out Johnny used to sleep with Joe's wife before they were married. When Det Joe bends over backwards to complicate Joe's life and arrest him, or cause him to be arrested several times, it's obvious what is going on. You would certainly sue Det Joe. You could certainly sue the department too of course, as his employer.

I'm not sure what you mean by implications of this type of action. A lawsuit is the only manner in which a person can be compensated for or cleared of any wrongdoing by loose cannon cops. The law doesn't allow a citizen to take a cop out in the cornfield and knock him down a couple of times. Most of them would refuse to meet you in the cornfield anyway on a one-on-one face-to-face basis anyway.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 8:52:20 PM

Counting........Do you have facts?? Were you there?? I believe this case is going to get very interesting within the next month. In Ga, there is already some talk about this case and how an officer in Charlottesville, Va assaulted a young woman. I hope that Richard and Blair take it all the way and stand up for everything that is right....as I know they will. What has happened to them is not okay....

posted by GA Friend at 10/17/2007 9:09:20 PM

I’m sure Longo will take the same “defend his officers no matter what” attitude I’ve personally experienced.

There was a Daily Progress article about my original “run-in” with the CPD in July 2004 but they seem to have removed them from their site as well as the follow-up articles in 2005 concerning one of the officers in the incident being indicted on federal corruption charges.

Much of what I've read here (and continued to experience over the years with CPD) falls right in line with what happened to me in 2004 and Longo's history of handling of internal issues.

The original "incident" is still documented in The Hook's archives under "Worst Guitar Theft" here http://readthehook.com/Stories/2004/07/29/4betterOrWorseTheWeekInRev.html

Here’s the Daily Progress article from 4/2005 written by Reed Williams:

VA — At first, Brett Jordan was happy to read that the police officer he had filed a complaint against had been arrested on federal corruption charges.

But Jordan quickly grew outraged when he discovered that Charlottesville Officer Charles Saunders was first suspended in 2001, after the police chief determined that he and another officer attended late-night strip shows at Max nightclub while on duty and in uniform.

“I think he probably should have been terminated in 2001 … and he never would have had the opportunity to do what he did to me,” Jordan said.

The 24-year-old George Mason University student filed a complaint against Saunders in July accusing the officer of acting violently, rudely and unprofessionally when he apparently mistook Jordan for a burglar, cuffing him and forcing him to lie down on the street. In fact, Jordan was the victim of the burglary and had been chasing one of the culprits.

“With Charlottesville getting recognition for the No. 1 city in the country, sometimes officials are putting blinders on,” Jordan said. “The more I think back on it, the more it scares me. Who knows what crimes are being committed while he’s at Max’s enjoying some dancers?”

In the past two years, according to Police Chief Timothy J. Longo, a total of five complaints have been brought against Saunders and Roy Fitzgerald, the other officer indicted on charges of corruption. Longo released the information in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from The Daily Progress.

Longo said it is not unusual for police officers to be the subject of occasional grievances. Each complaint against Saunders and Fitzgerald was thoroughly investigated by the department, Longo said, and none resulted in punishment. In some cases, information reported to police could not be corroborated, the chief said. “Had any of the complaints yielded reason to suspect potential criminal activity,” Longo said, “they would have been referred for further inquiry.”

The two officers were suspended last month after they were questioned in the federal investigation.

The corruption charges against Saunders, Fitzgerald and two other men arose from a state police probe that Longo requested sometime between the two officers’ initial suspension and September 2002, when state police say they began an investigation that later drew the attention of the FBI.

The indictment charges Saunders and Fitzgerald with ignoring drunken driving and other infractions by Charles M. Phillips, a former manager of Max who also ran an escort service, and providing Phillips with information on drug arrests and investigations into prostitution. In exchange, according to the indictment, Phillips bribed the officers with cash and sexual favors from women.

The officers also are accused of trying to persuade Phillips and his associate, Jason Madison, to withhold evidence and lie to federal agents and a grand jury. Phillips has agreed to plead guilty to a bribery charge, authorities said, and Madison has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to obstruct a federal investigation.

Longo has said that Saunders and Fitzgerald were not fired in 2001 after the strip-show incidents because he hadn’t verified other allegations of misconduct.

In the middle of the night on July 20, Jordan chased two burglars out of his apartment on Cabell Avenue. Then he spotted a police officer with a flashlight and explained the situation. Moments later, the two thieves appeared. The officer told them to freeze, but they dropped several stolen items and fled, Jordan said.

The officer chased one and Jordan pursued the other but lost him and started walking home. That was when Saunders appeared and told Jordan to freeze and put his hands up, according to his complaint. Jordan, who was wearing only a pair of mesh shorts and no shoes, obeyed and tried to explain that he was the victim of the burglary and not a perpetrator.

“He didn’t want to hear anything I was saying,” he recalled.

Jordan said he pleaded with Saunders to ask his roommate to confirm his story. Instead, Saunders cuffed him, Jordan said, and “laid me face-down in the middle of Madison Avenue,” digging his knee into Jordan’s back.

Saunders announced into his radio that he had captured one of the burglars and put Jordan in a police wagon, according to his grievance. Jordan was released later, but Saunders never apologized and told him to shut up when he complained, Jordan said.

“Had he used common sense, allowed me to explain and listened, the other assailant might not have gotten away,” he wrote in his July complaint. “But more importantly, my wrists would not be bruised, the back of my head sore, and my faith in the Charlottesville Police Department weakened.”

Saunders, who is free on bond, could not be reached for comment Thursday.

posted by Not Surprised at 10/17/2007 9:10:59 PM

GA, no, I was not there. I do not know much more than what The Hook has reported here, what was told to me about Flaherty by a top judicial figure several months ago, and the past horror tales I know of in this community. If there is more to this story I certainly want to see it.

I wish I had been there. I learned years ago to install and/or keep video in my cars. Video would show what Austin was doing before she was smacked to the ground. Simply yelling at or questioning an officer is not cause to be smacked to the ground.

Once Austin and Silva are past the BS criminal charges, I too hope they pursue this thing.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 9:19:58 PM

Sick of the Local Rambos........Just wondering .......has your friend mentioned past incidents involving Flaherty??

posted by GA Friend at 10/17/2007 9:40:15 PM

A few things I should point out in the Saunders incident and ensuing internal "investigation"

1)The first officer I ran into was actually responding to other calls about the burglars. However he COMPLETELY understood my situation and we were actually walking back to my apartment to have a look when we ran into the thieves.

2)I was literally wearing a pair of green mesh shorts and THAT'S IT...not exactly professional burglary attire.

3)I remained calm and followed his instructions because I knew he would need to process what I was telling him. However, it soon became apparent that he was treating the situation as though he had one of the two suspects (who's descriptions weren't even close to me) in custody.

4)When it mentions that Saunders told me to "Shut up," it was actually "shut the f*** up" before leaving me in the back of a police van unattended for nearly HALF AN HOUR. He then returned, got in the drivers seat (without a word) and drove me to my apartment for my roommate and girlfriend to ID me as one of the suspects. Needless to say, they had a good laugh when Saunders pulled me out of the van in cuffs. Then he refused to take them off until I "calmed down."

5)"Longo has said that Saunders and Fitzgerald were not fired in 2001 after the strip-show incidents because he hadn’t verified other allegations of misconduct." Really? Going to a strip club ON DUTY and IN UNIFORM is not grounds for dismissal? Oh, I guess they were just "blowing off steam."

6)I've had a few additional experiences with CPD after that but have never even considered filing a complaint because I know nothing will come of it...and honestly, I've never officially filed another complaint against any other individual/business/government official in my life.

posted by Not Surprised at 10/17/2007 9:45:56 PM

Just a thought that keeps popping up:

Do you think that there is anything in this thread that will allow the CPD (or a fellow agency) to come in and request IP/identifying information on the people posting here?

I like to think that couldn't happen but with the Homeland Security "laws", you can't be too sure.

posted by Lynette at 10/17/2007 9:57:12 PM

Not Surprised said >>>>> "4) When it mentions that Saunders told me to "Shut up," it was actually "shut the f*** up"!

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I rest my case. I have been telling you people all week that this swearing thing works both ways. Cops do it just as much as it is done to them. So what if Silva yelled out, "Slow The F*** Down!" No reason to jump out and arrest two people when it was much easier to apologize to the people and make sure they were OK.

Thank You, Mr Not Surprised! You made my evening!

Longo, are you taking notes? Please do.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 9:57:22 PM

Oh, one more thought (there are a number of them):

Dear "Sick Of The Local Rambos",

You may want to consider keeping your personal business of the board.

This isn't "all about you" and your experience is sounding crazier and crazier with every posting. If you are that irate, you really need to find an outlet other than a bulletin board to get your message across.

In addition, if you truly have a pending legal case/suite, posting your opinions on rants here may be used against you. Not that I am an attorney or anything; BUT, if I was, I would be saving every single character written here.

posted by Lynette at 10/17/2007 10:02:26 PM

Lynette, YES.

IP information can be obtained from The Hook with a court order. (The Hook may or may not even record IP information, I suspect they do though). I will stand behind everything I have said here.

And I seriously doubt Hawes Spencer (The Hook) is going to give out personal information to anybody without said court order.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 10:06:27 PM

Lynette, let there be no mistake. I am mad at the entire world. If I ever misled anybody into thinking my beef is just with Longo and the local city police, I apologize.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 10:23:01 PM

Lynette, you mentioned cvillenews.com earlier in this discussion. For the first time, I just went over there a few minutes ago to read the comments posted.

http://www.cvillenews.com/2007/10/15/xwalk-police-incident/#comments

The majority of the people posting over there seem to share the same opinions and thoughts of the people posting here on The Hook. I think this particular incident has even the pro-police advocates upset.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/17/2007 11:14:18 PM

Police Officer Mike Flaherty- resign! Immediately. You do not belong on the police force. Your behavior is that of a rude physicially abusive bully, with no self control. Resign now.

posted by Yet another at 10/18/2007 8:09:20 AM

I love freedom of speech!!!!!!!!

posted by GA Friend at 10/18/2007 8:33:41 AM

I smell civil suit.

posted by Cletus at 10/18/2007 9:25:02 AM

I just finished yet another unpleasant experience with the city police. They seem to make up the law as they go? In this latest exchange they are taking it upon themselves to make up the law from the other 49 states too I suppose? I don't know what's going through their minds. Having been a deputy sheriff for almost 3 decades I collect a lot of police and sheriff memorabilia. Hats, shirts, patches, license plates, key chains. Last Saturday afternoon I was outside when my mailman came. I opened my mail on the trunk of my car. I had received in U S Mail an expired and obsolete Misssisippi Sheriff's Office license plate I purchased on eBaY. Something came up and I walked away from the car. Later in the evening around 7:30 or 8:00 p.m. I left home in the car after dark and forgot the license plate was still laying on the trunk. I didn't see it on the trunk in the dark. It slid off the trunk and fell off in the street somewhere in the city. A citizen found the license plate and turned it into the city police. I called the police department and told them it was mine and I had a receipt for it. The officer told me it was illegal to own it, illegal to buy and sell license plates on eBaY, etc... At this point in time they are refusing to return the license plate to me. I suppose they figure it's not worth my time and money to take them on in court for a license plate I paid $18.27 for. This is how they get by with bullying people in my opinion. Who's going to spend $5,000 in attorney fees to fight for a $18.27 license plate? The license plate was probably damaged pretty bad by cars running over it anyway. I most likely wouldn't want it back in my collection. Longo neeeds to teach a class on license plates. At any given time there's tens of thousands of license plates on eBaY for sale. It's not illegal if the license plates are expired or obsolete. You can bet eBaY doesn't let tens of thousands of hardened "criminals" selling license plates to run amuck on their website every day. A little more trivia: any person can go to the Virginia DMV website and order a sample plate for $10. For $20 you can get it personalized. This includes any style or design they currently manufacture and distribute.

posted by Steve at 10/18/2007 9:37:24 AM

replying to: Sickofthelocalramboos -

dear sir or madam

would you care to step up to the challenge of being a chief of police to this city? it's easy to flame and give your ignorant opinion under anonimity, however would you dare to have a face to face sit down with Longo to lay out the facts as you THINK you know them? I doubt it seriously. Because this is not freedom of speech here .. for the most part it is opinions and people taking bot shots because they can do it without accountability. Please take the challenge and be a man or woman, come out from behind your cloak and tell us what YOU know. If everything is as clear cut as you say, then justice could be served if you come forward.

posted by Counting at 10/18/2007 11:07:44 AM

Counting, I don't want to be police chief. I am afraid I would suspend or fire half of the officers during my first week in office. And I am afraid this might or might not be the correct thing to do. You don't want me as chief of police.

There is no anonimity here. Anybody can be identified through their IP provider. Even those persons who think they can successfully hide behind a proxy. If you want a second opinion, just ask the Secret Service. There is accountability here. People would be crazy to post anything here they can't back up or prove. It's called libel.

libel: a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1): a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2): defamation of a person by written or representational means (3): the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures (4): the act, tort, or crime of publishing such a libel

dafamation: In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against criticism.

And Counting, this anonimity and hiding behind a cloak you speak of.... is this why you decided to use the name "Counting" rather than your real name? Are you a police officer? Married to a police officer? Dating a police officer?

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/18/2007 11:44:09 AM

Cletus, I too smell civil suit.

I agree with what somebody posted on cvillenews. I would believe the word of 12 witnesses over that of one police officer any day of the week. And I don't think these 12 witnesses are going to be the town drunks or local bums. Everything leading up the arrests of Austin and Silva supposedly took place before the backup officers arrived. I would give $1,000 to see what the official police report claims took place. This report would be composed and filed by Flaherty I suppose.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/18/2007 12:10:08 PM

to: sickofthelocalrambos

my marital status is of no concern of yours, unless of course your looking to hookup. In which case wouldn't be possible because you're a know it all kinda guy from the appearance of how you think you know the laws. It appears that you have some strong opinions but don't want to back them up with anything. Therefore, that's all they consist of are opininated mindless chatter. Lots of people need to vent. Just so long as you don't make it personal when you really don't know what the heck you're talking about. Feeling like I'm on your level now just by responding to you here more then once.

Think you'd fire half of those in these service jobs? I doubt very seriousaly you would. What an arrogant thing to say. Then who would protect your stupid ass when you experienced a crime? Perhaps you've led a sheltered life and have never really needed to call for help. If that's the case then how could you be a good judge of what a police officers job really involves? Try spending the day with an officer sometime and see if you could deal with all the everyday issues that they are confronted with. Don't be a jerk, do something to serve your community and support the men and women who put themselves out on the line each and everyday to protect and serve unappreciating people who sit and judge, but never contribute to any cause. What's on your resume besides the pie on your face?

posted by Counting at 10/18/2007 2:11:35 PM

Counting, I don't want to marry you. We don't even know each other yet. And we've only talked for 2 days so far.

The laws are very elementary. If you want to know a law all you have to do is go to the Virginia state code search and find it. This is why I know it all. The problem is the interpretation of the law. Who really knows what profane cursing is as mentioned in the current 18.2-288 "profane swearing and intoxication" law? What was considered profane when the law was written is now heard on most TV channels. And there is no word left untouched on the premium channels. I don't see where the law has been amended since 1990. The standards and morals in this country have changed a lot in 17 years. Is the judge going to rule the phrase "slow the f*** down!" is profane swearing?

Since when do opinions have to be backed up? I don't think we are going to get as much rain as predicted for tonight and tomorrow. This is my opinion. How could I possibly back up this opinion? As far as my opinion on the performance of our local police chief and his officers, it's my right as a taxpayer and citizen. I pay their salaries! Oh my, there's the infamous "contempt of cop" words, eh?, "I pay their salaries!". And I therefore can comment on how I think they are performing their duties.

Trust me, you were way way below my level with your first post here at 2:54 p.m. yesterday afternoon. Back where you called everybody posting here "numerous idiots", "mindless fools", and "common fools". And then you call me a "stupid ass" at 2:11 p.m. today. Isn't this "profane swearing"? And it's in public view, right? I don't see anybody losing their temper, knocking you to the ground, and arresting you.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/18/2007 3:24:22 PM

I'll take the chief's place.Here is what I would do.

I would call a meeting of all ofthe Officers and tell them we have a problem. That problem is that half of the people have lost confidence inthe force andthe only way toget it back is TRANPARENT ACCOUNTABILITY.

So unless they want to have me (the new chief)become the biggest ahole on the planet they had better starting right now Do their job with the gusto and ability that I know they know how to do. I need them to turn to the Officers that have been aholes in the past and tell them to cut the crap that itis OVER.

Then as Chief I would personally investigate Every Civilaian complaint while I taught a Leautenant how to do it my way.

I would make EVERY complaint and its results a matter of public record (after all if you are arrested and then dropped, the record still stands)

But thats just me.

posted by barney Fife at 10/18/2007 4:05:38 PM

Barney, that makes way too much sense.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/18/2007 4:12:41 PM

Sick of the Local Rambos

aka Steve

aka Nothing New (on cvillenews.com)

How many other "people" are you Grand Poobah?

posted by Lynette at 10/18/2007 8:35:46 PM

sickofthelocalrambos

can't we all just get along? you appear to have way too much time or your hands, but I must admit that you're good at avoiding the actual issue of what you would do to make this world a better place. Just bitch, moan and groan. What are you contributing?

please, I'd like to know ?? do you support your local gov't in any way at all? It's so much easier to moan and be negative. When was the last time you found something positive to say about the people who do public service? Can't imagine what kind of career you had *shaking my head* Do something positive for the next 30 days. Personally I think you're jealous of a man like Longo. The guy is just plain smart, you know it, admit it and move on.

posted by counting at 10/18/2007 8:59:49 PM

sickofthelocalrambos- reference above post about the deputy sheriff with Alexandria ties

Could this be the same Deputy Sheriff who was fired for sleeping numerous times in court while on duty??? Could you be him???? could you??? Is that why you have such a negative attitude towards Charlottesville Police officials? I never heard a mention about issues with Albemarle County PD, Albemarle Sheriff or UVA Police

Could you be him??? What's the fixation with Charlottesville Police Officials?

posted by wondering at 10/18/2007 9:43:27 PM

Lynette, what in the world are you talking about? I didn't know cvillenews existed until you posted it here. And I think anybody who finished at least the 9th grade can figure out user name "Nothing New" on cvillenews is the guitar man who posted here on The Hook as user name "Not Surprised". I don't think you would ever make a good detective. Again, just a personal opinion though.

Also not Steve, but a real close guess. Analyze it just a tad more. Put on your thinking cap. Study the grand scheme of things.

OK, on to Counting.....

Counting, glad to see you are back up to my level. You made it through your last reply without calling anybody "numerous idiots", "mindless fools", and "common fools". Now in return for playing nice I suppose I will truthfully answer your last series of questions. 1) I do nothing to support the local government except pay my taxes. And buy trash stickers for a service that used to be paid with my taxes. And pay what seems to be about 10 times the price county residents pay for their water without complaining. 2) I can't recall the last time I have felt the need to say anything positive about the city government. You can't talk to anybody in City Hall, just answering machines. Last time I had a problem and did finally manage to get somebody on the phone they denied their mistake and said I would have to drive down and fill out several documents to commence a formal hearing and prove it was their mistake. They knew it was eaiser for me to pay the $22.00 dispute then to look for a parking space and contest it. Once again, city government bullying people in my opinion. After they made a mistake. 3) I never had a career. I had a headache. But at least the retirement checks will help buy Tylenol until I get over it. 4) I have no clue what to do for the next 30 days. Seriously. Give me some suggestions. 5) I am not jealous of Longo. More power to him. If he hangs in there and doesn't let his troops take him down he can sit back and join the ranks of Dek Bowen, Rittenhouse and Norford (former chiefs) and pull in about $65,000, $75,000 or more a year retirement. 6) Without going back and reading every reply here I don't think anybody has called Longo stupid. I and people I speak with simply question the effectiveness of his administration right now. (This also happened with former chief Wolford too about 10 years ago if you recall. He was basically escorted out of town. But I kinda liked the guy myself.) Incidents like Austin/Silva sure doesn't help Longo's cause much. But as discussed up above 359 replies ago, all he has to do is keep the city manager and city council satisfied.

Good night. Sleep tight! Don't let the bed bugs bite!

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/18/2007 10:10:32 PM

rambo

you're obviously disgruntled about more then having a headache and paying a few dollars for trash stickers. I suspect a good therapist could get to the root of what's really bothering you dear. it would be insurance money well spent. even if you are too old to be a cop, you could always make yourself useful by volunteering to train the new police force you seem to be so expert on. if not Steve, then it's mystery to me as too many faces have disappeared in the crowd with one too many issues about how they were so unfairly treated for one reason or the other.

all I can say is take responsibility. Don't shove onto others plates what you piled up in the first place and tried to eat.

sweetdreams darlin' you need them more then I do

posted by counting at 10/18/2007 10:43:53 PM

Of course I am disgruntled about more then having a headache and paying a few dollars for trash stickers. I very clearly said I am upset because city residents seem to pay 10 times for water than county residents do.

And there you go calling me "Steve". Is this a habit you picked up from Lynette? Or do you two know each other? If you do know each other you should have explained to Lynette how any person who finished at least the 9th grade couled figure out user name "Nothing New" on cvillenews is the guitar man who posted here on The Hook as user name "Not Surprised". She really looked rather silly when she accused me of being "Nothing New".

I'm not sure what you are speaking of when you say faces have disappeared in the crowd. Are you speaking of a high turnover rate in the police department?

Getting back on topic, I have heard Silva/Austin have indeed hired an attorney for the BS criminal charges. I also heard new witnesses have come forward. They had no idea what was going on that night and did not get involved at the time. So many witnesses in fact that they won't all be used in General District Court. They will only be needed if a conviction is handed down and an appeal to Circuit Court comes along. Is any of this true? Or just another beer and burger joint rumor?

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 7:42:12 AM

By the way, Counting. I have bad news. The spelling police called me up a few minutes ago and said you and I have both spelled ANONYMITY wrong. They released me on bond when I explained I had simply used the same spelling you did.

See what happens when you follow instead of lead? You got me in trouble with the spelling police. :)

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 7:59:43 AM

In DC they have a weekly radio show for the Chief of Police where people call in and ask questions.

Perhaps that is what is needed here.

posted by won hung Guy at 10/19/2007 8:16:23 AM

won hung Guy, TV would be better. I prefer to see one's body language and speech patterns as they answer difficult questions. And before my fan club (Counting and Lynette) jump in, yes, I have been trained in body language and speech patterns often used when a person is being less than truthful. Not saying Longo would ever be less than truthful, just saying I would rather see a talk show on TV rather than hear it on radio. Most attorneys also have training in body language and speech pattersn. They can usually pick out who is being less than truthful.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 9:27:10 AM

Sick of the Local Rambos

aka Steve:

http://www.cvillenews.com/2003/07/03/camblos-refuses-to-charge-shiflett/

Too bad you didn't know about cvillnews.com until someone posted it here. You are also not a very good liar.

Longo could probably post on here and at least keep his identity secret. He trumps you there.

posted by Carolyn at 10/19/2007 9:30:01 AM

There is more, and I am not trying very hard to find anything. I think this explains why you have such a problem with the police. You really really want to be one!

http://www.realpolice.net/forums/showthread.php?p=349285

posted by Carolyn at 10/19/2007 9:32:28 AM

This discussion is getting way off course. I am not sure why some of the posters are going after each other.

This discussion is about an instance of police misconduct. No, not all officers are bad, but certainly this Officer Mike Flaherty has abused his position and authority. He was wrong. He knocked a women to the ground after almost running her down! Then he arrested two people on nonsensical charges. Enough...He was just plain wrong.

Yes, it seems the police as well as the district attorneys office are getting much more out of control. I have spoken with 2 former officers, and they feel the problem will get much worse as the compensation offered to police is inadequate, and not sufficent to attract and maintain in employment intelligent professional people on the force.

Speak with your vote. This county NEEDS a change. Vote for Claytor and Lunsford. Hopefully, Claytor will clean house, and Lunsford will be less politically motivated.

And how about The Hook offering a police complaint forum? Probably the only way it can happen.

posted by Yet another at 10/19/2007 10:00:59 AM

Carolyn, welcome!

Small world. I am familiar with the realpolice link you posted. And many other internet links where defamatory statements were posted. And I am familiar with the Alexandria false arrest. That's the case where the orginal suspect report read 20-ish year old 5'8" 140 pound Hispanic male with black hair and no mustache. And thanks to false information from Charlottesville, Alexandria changed the description on their report and ended up arresting a 50+ year old Charlottesville resident, a 220 pound white male with salt/pepper hair and a mustache for 35 years.

FYI, a default judgment for defamation (plus running interest) has already been awarded against the female "Traffic Goddess" ex-cop posting in the realpolice topic. I suspect you know all of this already though. Her name is Wendy Dressler Mannion, Pennsylvania (public record) and you can find the order awarding this judgment and interest in the Charlottesville Circuit Court. And one of Longo's patrol sergeants has also been named as a defendant in one of the remaining 5 lawsuits still pending. And a Charlottesville deputy sheriff has been named as well. Along with an Alexandria police officer and a former Alexandria police officer.

In case you missed the bus, the innoceent person named in the Alexandria case and the realpolice topic was a deputy sheriff in Virginia for 27 years. Whether a very very small handful of local cops like it or not. And he never once in that 27 years had to smack anybody to the ground or arrest anybody for profane swearing in public. Maybe he knew how to deal with people? He did have a rather serious complaint filed on him once though in that 27 years. While executing a search warrant or whatever a resident claimed he broke a bunch of personal items in the person's home. Funny thing about it though, Sheriff Mannie Norford was with the deputy at the time and knew it was all a lie. The complainant withdrew his complaint once he learned Sheriff Norford was with the deputy and observing the execution of this warrant firsthand.

I might also mention the person named in the Alexandria BS is not the same person formerly employed by the Albemarle Sheriff's Office who claims some black guy shot him one evening for no apparent reason. What a mess that was! I bet Sheriff Robb wishes he had never jumped on that "hate crime" bandwagon! He is also not the same person who had a large judgment handed down against him for police brutality while employed at the Louisa County Sheriff's Office. I'm sure somebody will try to pull these claims out of their handbag of tricks and deception and connect them with the person you mention.

The bottom line here is rather frightening. If cops will mess with each other like this, what are they capable of doing to ordinary citizens and taxpayers? Oh nevermind, that's what this subject seems to be about in the first place, isn't it?

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 10:31:30 AM

Yat Another, you're getting the city and county confused. The event in this story is about the Charlottesville Police Department. To vote for Claytor and Lunsford will change nothing in the City of Charlottesville.

You do have an excellent idea in voting for Claytor and Lunsford though. Both are well qualified candidates.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 10:34:46 AM

SOTLR

Thanks for the recap of the story. But why don't you go ahead and let everyone know that you are the "innoceent person". At least that would allow everyone reading or posting here to realize you are more involved in the law enforcement world than most. Even if it is make-believe law enforcement at this point.

posted by Carolyn at 10/19/2007 10:53:09 AM

I think you're going to be right much fun, Carolyn.

Would you like to hear the Karl Monsoor story now? The tale of the manner in which law enforcement also screwed with one of their own? Somewhere along the line didn't police adminstration ask him to edit official police reports and make false statements? Wasn't this the beginning of his downfall when he REFUSED to do it and blew the whistle on them for suggesting it? Please feel free to correct me if I am stating anything inaccurately.

Last I heard the judge (or jury?) agreed with Karl Monsoor and has awarded him some pretty hefty judgments against local law enforcement. Thank God! Because he has a rather large family to provide for.

Which brings me right back to my previous statement. (repost) The bottom line here is rather frightening. If cops will mess with each other like this, what are they capable of doing to ordinary citizens and taxpayers? Oh nevermind, that's what this subject seems to be about in the first place, isn't it?

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 11:26:46 AM

The bottom line is that nothing is going to get done because of a message board on The Hook's blog. Get off your computer and do something with your life.

posted by Carolyn at 10/19/2007 11:50:01 AM

quote by attorney Deborah Wyatt, the architect of several law suits against the County police [“Walking a thin blue line,” April 24, 2001], told C-VILLE: “Based on the kind of calls I’ve got, it seems officers are encouraged to approach the civilian population as enemies in a war, even in a traffic stop.”

One of the best quotes in the last decade. Too bad Deborah Wyatt has now retired. She knew what was going on out on the streets and wasn't afraid to take the police on at any time.

Deborah Wyatt is also the attorney that successfully represented the Gray family in a wrongful police death lawsuit a few years ago. The Gray family finally got their day in court.... and justice.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 11:51:57 AM

Carolyn, get off my computer and do something with my life? I bet I have accomplished more in the last 4 hours then you will all day. Thanks to current technolgy and my honing the fine art of multitasking, the last four hours have been quite productive for me.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 11:57:11 AM

No, actually I am not confused about the city/county police. Believe me, there is plenty of trouble with both departments.

But, the county postion is soon to be voted on. We can elect Claytor this November, and start the change in the county ASAP.

posted by Yet Another at 10/19/2007 12:19:01 PM

Fire the cop and get a new chief and lets stop hiring the sons of the police. Get a chief without little man complex!

posted by Truth at 10/19/2007 12:27:39 PM

Oh My God! Now I will be accused of being the user named "Truth" too. ROTGFLMAO!!!!

Yet Another, OK. I agree both departments seem to have very serious problems.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 12:36:01 PM

http://readthehook.com/blog/index.php/2006/08/16/not-guilty-verdict-in-bomber-case/

Same song.

posted by yet Another at 10/19/2007 12:36:01 PM

cville Eye just summed it up pretty well over on cvillenews.com, and I quote him.

"...Everyone knows in Charlottesville that the house must be burning down before Council pays any attention...."

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/19/2007 12:48:42 PM

John Evans, I don't know the man but no one needs to meet and sit with either of them. Three years in Iraq is all that needs to be said. I have an idea, turn Richard loose in a locked room without cuffs with this dog face coward, I bet I know who will walk out. Welcome home Rich and God bless our troops, you have my vote my friend..

posted by r. tabor at 10/19/2007 1:52:21 PM

John Evans, I don't know the man but no one needs to meet and sit with either of them. Three years in Iraq is all that needs to be said. I have an idea, turn Richard loose in a locked room without cuffs with this dog face coward, I bet I know who will walk out. Welcome home Rich and God bless our troops, you have my vote my friend..

posted by r. tabor at 10/19/2007 1:52:24 PM

Flaherty is the same officer who told us we have a major gang problem in Charlottesville. He failed to tell us the gang victimizing us is the police.

posted by Truth at 10/19/2007 5:09:34 PM

sickofthelocalrambos -

hey fella sorry about your trouble with the spelling police. although it does sound suspect that you've experienced trouble than just the spelling police. which would make perfect sense that you don't like our badge wearing law enforcers. most people don't like being told they've broken the law. wondering what you got busted for, violation of the law or policy ?/?/? inquiring minds would love to know. don't suppose you'd care to fess up?

P.S. Norford was never Chief was that an honest mistake on your part or are you more misinformed than i realized?

posted by counting at 10/19/2007 8:36:50 PM

Who will be protecting our cities and nation in the near future? I can't imagine why anyone in his or her right mind would want to put themselves into public service to be brutalized and dissected in the manner in which I have read through these posts. Officers in this area make around 35,000 a year with a few benefits. They work lots of varied shift work, stay up long hours to prepare for court, etc. Which all means less time with family, leisure, etc. All for what? There will come a time when people start to realize how fortunate we are to have people willing to serve and protect. Not all of us non police people graduated at the top of our class either. How many people posting here are in a job where they can be seen openly on a day to day basis and judged and looked at for their every move? It's like a bunch of pecking chickens, one draws blood and the rest fall in behind and keep pecking.

Where is the compassion in society these days? Are we all so caught up in our own personal drama that we feel the need to lash out and judge the people who are there to give us help when we need it? For crying out loud, these are just men and women, humans, no perfection. Give them a break. What's that saying about he who lives in a glass house?

posted by The Bottom Line at 10/19/2007 8:54:02 PM

Dear bottom Line,

This problem was CREATED by COPS who REFUSE to Police their own.

There is another saying,: "Don't bend down to tie your shoes in a Strawberry patch lest you be suspected of thievery."

Police need to be above reproach...not the law.

If i were a cop I would be clamoring for my Chief to step up to the plate and answer questions. I would rally my fellow officers to demand that the Investigation be done in a couple of days tops and to either clear the cop or disipline him.

Imagine where we would be if the Chief had gotten his morning brief, called the Officer in , gotten his side, asked the couple to come in and hear their side and then interviewd any witnesses who wanted to voluntarily come in and give their side.

He should then attempt to mediate things or hold a press conference and say that he has decided to back away and let the courts sort it out.

There is at least a 50/50 chance that he would have been able to mediate things and perhaps extract a promise from Flaherty to be a little more Officer and a lot less cop.

and for the record.. don't kid yourselves about cops being underpaid, rookies yes.. after a couple of years it escalates just fine..Plus they rig the system to get lots of overtime.

posted by Common sense at 10/19/2007 11:38:23 PM

We pay these people to show compassion and be professionals. If you don't like your $35,000 a year job then quit. I'm sure you'll find some better employment, sweeping floors, digging ditches, and you won't have to deal with the public!

posted by Truth at 10/20/2007 9:45:58 AM

Let's have the cops drop their guns and tasers, confess the error of their ways admitting they were wrong to enforce any law, release all the inmates at the jail since they were obviously placed there without just cause, then we'll meet on the mall at the Freedom of Expression wall to sing Kumbayah. That should satisfy the people's republic.

posted by Think Before Speaking at 10/21/2007 9:34:15 AM

T.B.S.

What the heck do need tasers for except to have fun doing up the public and then laughing about it later(which I know you have done). We do need the police, but not you unprofessional clowns, who almost run over people and then lock up the victims. This is Charlottesville, not the inner city of some major american cities. It is not a war zone. Maybe the cops in this town need to get with the public and sing Kumbayah. Because, all they do is bully the public and then lie about it, during the investigation. Take yourself to task, Officer Think Before Speaking, think before your actions, before illegally arresting the public, when you are clearly wrong. Don't defend your fellow officers as you, not only violate the laws of the government. You SIR also violate the laws of common sense. We pay you for services, not to sing for us or with us, but to treat everyone, even the bad guys, fairly. You JOB is to arrest the bad, not judge them, and certainly not to punish them. To testify, not to lie. The lie in this situation, has caused YOU, officer to lose the trust and the respect of the public. I would not want to sing Kumbayah with you or any song with any public offical who would mistreat the public. So officer, let go of Kumbayah, do your JOB. I don't have to like you anymore than who must like me, treat the public, in the manner that we pay you to do! This sir, is America, not Iraq, Iran, or any other country where freedom and human right are not respected. Don't give us that singing together arguement. To hide behind your badge. You sir are a coward, who wouldn't stand up to the other cops if he saw a cop violate the law. Finally Kumbatyah officer, some of us do support professional law enforcement, but we don't seem to have it in Charlottesville.

posted by Truth at 10/21/2007 10:40:26 AM

Counting, I am sorry. I have been tied up with Disney On Ice all weekend. I do think you are right though. Norford was never chief of police. He was appointed interim Sheriff when Raymond Pace died. If Norford was chief I don't think we would be having the current problems. Norford kicked ass when need be. One of the finest men that ever wore a badge and uniform in this city.

And dearest Counting, don't muddy the waters with false and libelous accusations. I have never been charged, arrested and convicted of a crime in my entire life. Not even profane swearing and public intoxication. And certainly not for violenting smacking a young female to the ground.

Truth, is there a reason(s) you feel "Think Before Speaking" might be Flaherty? Freedom of speech or not, I don't think Longo would approve of Flaherty posting here while an alleged internal investigation of his activities is taking place.

r. Tabor, I love your suggestion. Put 'em both in a locked room and see which comes out when one can't use or abuse his authority.

Bottom line, you are way off base with this pay thing. If any police officer in this area is making less than $50,000 to $60,000 it's because they are plain downright lazy. Ever since 9-11-2001 there's abundant overtime to be had by all police officers. Parking garages, water treatment plants, numerous businesses, John Paul Jones arena. Barnes & Noble is a good example. Officers work there off duty every night. And the John Paul Jones arena has brought more police overtime into this region than anything before it in the history of this area. I used to think Arby's employed police off duty for security purposes, but I was mistaken. They are always lined up at Arby's because they get food half price.

Think Before Speaking, I have a much better idea. Let's get all the old antiquated laws off the books. Like public profanity and intoxication for example. I hear much worse than Silva said this eveing in our schools on a daily basis. Go stand in the hallway when classes change. All you will hear is M-F this and M-F that. I don't see school resource officers violently slamming the violators down on the floor and arresting them. And by God, I have seen police officers leave restaurants intoxicated. Watched one off duty officer drink 8 beers in 2 hours one night and then drive home. Would it do any good to report this? No. The officer lives a half mile from the restaurant and would be home before the call is even dispatched. You think I am making this stuff up as I go? I have witnesses other than myself to this 8 beers in 2 hours thing. The officer was intoxicated in public while walking to his car. And a much worse crime once he entered his car and put the key in the ignition. Nobody slammed him onto the pavement and arrested him.

The public intoxication law should be used when a person is falling down drunk, disruptive, obnoxious and/or unable to take care of themselves. Not as a cover-all when no other charge is applicable. And even so, "disruptive" shouldn't apply when you're almost dragged under a police Jeep. I would expect a person to be angry and disruptive.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/21/2007 11:41:54 AM

I know it is a law enforcement offical, not Flaherty. You can tell by the weak threat of ...if we didn't have the police,...sing Kumbatyah. Only a cop would try to justify the illegal actions of a cop with such a response. If we didn't have cops who abuse the public we wouldn't have this problem. The Truth.

posted by Truth at 10/21/2007 3:01:12 PM

Truth, if you review my previous posts you will find that I DO NOT condone improper police conduct, but I really hate the fact that people want to hang a cop based on what they read in a local paper. I'm not Flaherty and no longer a cop :) so you are a little correct anyway.

Cops rarely get any credit for things going right and get crapped on when things go wrong, but that is true for anyone these days, teachers, priests, and all government employees in general. Just look at how many teachers the City schools are bleeding every year. So, my point was cops maybe NEED to surrender to their naysayers, sing with them and hold hands since no one seems to want police officers to "police" anymore.

posted by think before speaking at 10/21/2007 4:19:31 PM

If you know Officer Flaherty,(and I know you do). Then you know the the news reported the facts correctly. I do believe the story of the witnesses that were reported(and the key word is REPORTED). No wonder you're not a cop anymore. Don't attempt to fend us off the subject. Tomorrow the news may be about teachers, priests, and other, today it's about Flaherty. I don't want the police who "police" to abuse me or my family. And just what do you mean by "police" I am older than these "police" that want to shout at you, put you down and try and tell you what to do. If I call the police I require assistance not, their opinions or smart comments. They are not above me or you and they must stop acting like they are. I just rather they do a professional job. TBS maybe you should leave out the "T" out and tell The Truth.

posted by Truth at 10/21/2007 4:58:06 PM

Answer to pop quiz

Nothing. Virginia law allows open carry in the situation you described if the man was non threatening and not under the influence.

posted by think before speaking at 10/21/2007 6:36:37 PM

If the paper has the story wrong then all the chief needs to do is hold a public hearing and let everybody give testimony under oath.

If can be a fact finding mission where everybody can voluntarily testify. After that then the chief can decide where he wants to go eith it and we can decide where we want to go with him... and the council that hired him for that matter.

accountability to the people. that is what this is about now.

posted by fix it now at 10/21/2007 11:08:24 PM

How could the officer find out about the domestic violence call being cancelled in the time it takes to speed from the railroad tracks to the corner of Water and Main? A dispatcher would barely be able to utter one sentence in that short a time. The officer was either still speeding after he found out the call was cancelled, or he stopped at the couple before he found out the call was cancelled.

What about this idea: if a fight had occurred in which a regular driver had merely been cursed at, even unjustifiably cursed at, and that driver stopped and got out of the car, then any judge would fault the driver for starting the fight. I'm no lawyer, but I've watched enough Judge Judy to know that anyone who goes out of their way to respond to verbal taunts and bring it to a physical level is guilty guilty guilty!

I disagree with Sick in only one way: a normal officer probably would not have gotten out of the squadcar and apologized. The more normal response would have been to just keep driving (and maybe slow down). You would have to be a person of above-average moral fiber to get out of the car and apologize in that situation.

And ernurse, you've got to be realistic about public drunkenness. People have got to get from the bar to their house. As long as they're not driving recklessly (like Flaherty was) or bothering others, then people should be left alone. What...should cops start breathalyzing everyone walking on the Mall at night to test for being drunk in public?

posted by Nacirema at 10/22/2007 9:08:32 AM

I meant Water and Second

posted by Nacirema at 10/22/2007 9:27:01 AM

Nacirema, I can't beieve I am about to say this, you must bring out the best in me! If this same scenario took place with Longo as the police driver, I bet he would get out, apologize and ask the citizens if they are OK. He is of above average moral fiber and should be striving to hire officers of the same caliber.

There are situations where a police officer will and can respond to an emergency without a siren. This was not one of them in my book. Hearing the approaching siren of a police car would not scare the criminals away because they were already engaged in some type of confrontation with another police officer calling for assistance. Perhaps the proper use of a siren would have prevented this incident from taking place.

Read this link....

http://quicustodes.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/contempt_of_cop.html

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/22/2007 10:19:06 AM

Nacirema, I can't beieve I am about to say this, you must bring out the best in me! If this same scenario took place with Longo as the police driver, I bet he would get out, apologize and ask the citizens if they are OK. He is of above average moral fiber and should be striving to hire officers of the same caliber.

There are situations where a police officer will and can respond to an emergency without a siren. This was not one of them in my book. Hearing the approaching siren of a police car would not scare the criminals away because they were already engaged in some type of confrontation with another police officer calling for assistance. Perhaps the proper use of a siren would have prevented this incident from taking place.

Read this link....

http://quicustodes.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/05/contempt_of_cop.html

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/22/2007 10:19:45 AM

Here's an excellent story too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/dcpolice/deadlyforce/police5page1.htm

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/22/2007 12:18:08 PM

Correction or current status of my reply dated 10/18/2007 9:37:24 AM.

After several discussions and what I guess could be described as an investigative phase on Mooney's behalf, Detective Mooney has at this time returned my property to me (license plate).

posted by Steve at 10/24/2007 2:04:49 PM

"Sick Of The Local Rambos" can't be a cop in Charlottesville. Longo already got rid of you!

posted by at 10/28/2007 6:12:58 PM

I've never worked for Longo or the Charlottesville Police Department. And with the reputation they are currently creating for themselves I never will. Just look at the most recent allegations piling up. Bursting into a innocent civilian's home with weapons drawn down on him. Going on a person's property late one night after dark to serve a simple misdemeanor warrant while parking their cars out of sight. Handcuffing a victim and tossing him in the back of a police van while assuming he was the suspect. Slapping people to the ground and arresting them after almost running over them with a police Jeep. And this is just the incidents we have heard about.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/29/2007 9:48:47 AM

November is coming up soon. I wonder how this will play out. Even if Silva and Austin are found not guilty, or Nolle Prosequi, that is IF they can get a fair hearing, what will be the repercussions on their lives? How much do you think legal fees will be? Public embarrassment? Time lost from work? Personal anguish? All this for protesting being threatened by a vehicle? Huh. Charlottesville.

What is their legal recourse? Are citizen’s allowed to charge the officer with reckless driving, or driving too fast for conditions? What is a citizen’s recourse? My understanding is around here the judge sides with the officer, that the playing field is not level. Of course there is always the appeals court, but at what expenses? Can the average person AFFORD to pursue justice?

posted by Yet Another at 10/29/2007 11:20:38 AM

Yet Another, I don't think Judge Downer is going to automatically side with one party or the other in a case like this. He will listen to testimony from Flaherty and from the flock of witnesses for Silva/Austin (if they show up). I am almost 100% sure the defense attorney will have a court reporter present to record all testimony. This is very important if there's the slightest chance there is an avenue for recourse later.

If there is more to this story than Silva/Austin have told and they are convicted there is very little recourse. If they are found not guilty of all charges watch for all hell to break loose as Silva/Austin seek their justice.

The average citizen has no choice but to find a way to seek their justice. A lot of attorneys will take good cases on a contingency basis. They usually get anywhere from 33% to 40% once the victims prevail in court.

As far as charges against the officer being successfully sought by Silva/Austin, you could probably find a snowball in hell much easier in my opinion.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/29/2007 12:11:34 PM

Hey Sick- You have been figured out! Now many of us know why you have it out for longo... Do you want me to "out" you on here??

posted by at 10/29/2007 3:31:24 PM

quote - "Hey Sick- You have been figured out! Now many of us know why you have it out for longo... Do you want me to "out" you on here??"

You sound extremely upset. But, go for it. Have fun.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/29/2007 4:47:32 PM

It has been my experience that most judges in Va couldn't find a rattlesnake in a lunchbag. The jurisprudence displayed by most judges wouldn't pass the muster of a 10th grade government class.

posted by Cletus at 10/30/2007 9:42:08 AM

Cletus, that simply hasn't been the case in the courtrooms I have been in. If judges sat around all day believing every word cops testify to we would have to build 5 new jails to serve just the Charlottesville and Albemarle area.

We have had some extremely good judges in this area in recent years. Judge Herbert Pickford (retired) and Judge Paul Peatross (retired) are just two examples of the best. And if we want to look back two or three decades, Judge George Coles was among the finest ever in Virginia. And Judge Barry Marshall (retired), Judge William Barkley, and Judge Robert Downer have never thrown people in jail just because the police might say the suspect did so and so. They always listen to both sides of the case and they listen to all the witnesses.

Would you trust your freedom to the cops in this area or the judges in this area?

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/30/2007 10:27:13 AM

SOTLR, well... you may get your wish. The United States imprisons more people than ALL other industrial nations (including China) COMBINED. So much for the so called land of the free. Besides if judges are such upright and honest individuals why don't we have civilian oversite of judicial misconduct? Why do they need to hide behind judicial immunity? Does the legislature have standing to make a law that says I have no standing to prosecute a judge for judicial misconduct if I'm damaged by his impropriety? And who would ultimately decide the legality of such a law even if the logical thread that brought us to that law in the 1st place was a logical train wreck? So with all due respect sir... I think you need to think about this a little bit more.

posted by Cletus at 10/30/2007 11:18:29 AM

Cletus, I agree with you on accountability more than you probably realize. But I simply don't see it as a problem in this area with most of our current and past judges. Notice I used the word "most", just like you did.

The accountability I would like to see starts at the level of cops and magistrates. This Silva/Austin case is a fine example. When the cop walked into the Magistrate's Office with Silva and Austin in custody did he start off by saying, "Magistate Davis, I almost ran over these two people with my police Jeep! Mr. Austin became upset and cursed me in public!"

Or did the cop say, "Magistrate Davis, I rounded the corner and observed Mr. Austin waving his arm and cursing me! I then noticed he appeared to be intoxicated in public as well!"

While public swearing is an old crime still on the books (and still has an effective application occasionally), I can't understand any magistrate writing the warrants if he had been told the complete story of what took place. I guess I simply live in a fantasy world where I place too much emphasis on right vs wrong. In other words, if I was a on-duty uniformed cop and almost run over the city manager and his wife in a crosswalk tonight, the last thing on my mind is getting a warrant for public profanity when the city manager tells me to "slow the f*** down!" I also would not be concerned with how much alcohol was in their blood streams unless they were falling down sloppy drunk. I used this particular example for a specific reason. Had it been the city manager and his wife I seriously doubt we would be here talking about it.

There's so many questions when we start playing "what if" in an accountability situaton. Was the magistrate told what took place from start to the finish? Would the magistrate view the near tragedy as an extinuating circumstance in Silva becoming upset and cursing the officer? Would it have ended with an arrest if it had been somebody like the city manager and his wife? Would the city manager have become upset and as a knee jerk reaction possibly cursed an officer? Hitting one's thumb with a hammer is often enough to make a preacher curse. It just happens. And it's not a crime in my book.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/30/2007 2:48:41 PM

SOTLR: I see you raising many many issues without providing any solutions...why not move

Cletus: too many prisoners in the US for you? you can move in with SOTLR

posted by at 11/1/2007 8:05:07 PM

quote - "Hey Sick- You have been figured out! Now many of us know why you have it out for longo... Do you want me to "out" you on here??"

We're still waiting.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 11/1/2007 9:22:49 PM

So anyone know what happened to Silva and Austin yet? Thank god we are free of Camblos. It's a start!!!

posted by Yet another at 11/7/2007 11:39:48 AM

Their cases were continued and are currently scheduled for 11/13/2007 at 10:35 a.m. The court records indicate they will hire their own attorney.

Most likely the attorney will make himself/herself known and ask for yet another continuance since there are so many witnesses to round up and subpoena.

Don't rub it in on Camblos. You know he has to be hurting today. Just like Mr. Deane has suffered since his wife and grandchildren were killed and no charges were placed against the other driver. Kinda ironic, isn't it?

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 11/7/2007 1:13:04 PM

Somehow I think Mr. Deanes pain is more profound. It remains to be seen if the charges against Silva and Austin will go forward. Is it not the D.A.s prerogative? Just like in the Deane case, as well as the UVA rape case.

posted by Yet another at 11/7/2007 3:31:00 PM

You can bet your last nickel the Commonwealth Attorney will be involved in the Silva/Austin cases. Trying to get some sort of conviction to lessen the city's civil liability in the lawsuits that we all know are coming.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 11/7/2007 10:11:39 PM

The web site for Albemarle county courts is not working, are they still on for tomorrow?

posted by Yet another at 11/12/2007 4:35:13 PM

The cases are in the City of Charlottesville. And yes, the docket shows them still being on for 10:35 a.m. tomorrow. I expect they will be continued at that time though.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 11/12/2007 9:38:33 PM

Did you go to court, Sick Of The Local Rambos? Aside from intimidating reporters, I guess it got continued due to the material witness being unavailable...

posted by Yet another at 11/13/2007 4:11:43 PM

Yes. I knew it would be continued for one reason or another. No surprises here.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 11/13/2007 5:01:41 PM

You people sure know how to beat a dead horse .... I wish all of you were up in arms when THE Hook reported on the 70 rapes that went unnoticed at UVA .... It seems to me those were crimes, too ......

posted by Clara at 11/13/2007 6:39:37 PM

And I nearly forgot - the fact that the UVA Police also botch investigations, turn in false reports, ...... Do we see a trend here?

posted by Clara at 11/13/2007 6:41:30 PM

Been seeing the trend for a long time, Clara. How do you think I arrived at my user name here? :)

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 11/13/2007 7:57:01 PM

So when are you forming a legitimate ad hoc group to provide a watchful eye?

posted by Clara at 11/14/2007 8:42:36 PM

Interesting subpoena ingthe reporter. Did they think they needed more coverage? How very Camblos like. Although actually, The Hook is the only paper reporting anything about this incident. So does anyone know when the next court date is?

posted by Yet another at 11/16/2007 1:31:27 PM

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