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INTERVIEW- White in: Johnny Winter on surviving problems

published September 6, 2007


Johnny Winter, seen here at the Woodstock 10th anniversary concert in 1979, will play Gravity Lounge next Thursday, September 13.
PHOTO BY BOB SANDERSON
Johnny Winter hails from the same musical stew-pot that produced Rick Derringer's "Rock and Roll, Hoochie Koo" and younger brother Edgar's immortal Jock Jam/SUV commercial anthem "Frankenstein." The elder Winter's calling was blues guitar, though, and enough praise was lavished on him by a fledgling Rolling Stone to set off a label bidding war. He signed a legendary six-figure deal with Columbia-- in 1969.

Nearly 40 years later, Winter has been worn by the same record industry, and in particular by suspected abuse at the hands of his former manager. Nobody knows for sure, since the guy is now dead, and Winter was too drugged up all along to make sense of anything.

After weathering a number of health problems-- he was reportedly down to 90 pounds at one point-- Winter bounced back with the Grammy-nominated I'm A Bluesman, the title track of which is based on the trials and tribulations of his own life. Nevertheless, there's likely plenty left for future recordings. After all, it's hard enough to get by as a white blues musician; making it as an albino is an accomplishment of epic proportions.


The Hook: How important was your relationship with Edgar in shaping your musical direction?

Johnny Winter: He didn't have any effect on it at all. He was younger than I was.

The Hook: Then do you think you influenced him?

Johnny Winter: Yeah, I think I did. He didn't like straight blues as much as I did; he liked more jazz. I tried to get him into the blues thing. It worked a little-- he can play some blues. But then, he can play anything.

The Hook: Would you have been a musician without him, or he without you?

Johnny Winter: Yeah, sure I would, and I think he would have. Both of us love music.

The Hook: It's sort of disappointing that you weren't jamming in your bedroom until 3am, though.

Johnny Winter: No, but we did play together.

The Hook: You also played with some cool folks at Eric Clapton's Crossroads Guitar Festival back in July.

Johnny Winter: It was great-- I played the first time with the Derek Trucks Band, and the second time I played with Buddy Guy. There were a lot of people there-- B.B., Hubert Sumlin, Los Lobos from California... I got to see a lot of people.

The Hook: Have you done similar festivals in the past?

Johnny Winter: No. It was one of the coolest things I've ever done. There were just so many good guitar players in one place.

The Hook: And this is coming from someone who used to play with Jimi.

Johnny Winter: I enjoyed playing with Jimi a lot. I was a real big fan.

The Hook: How did he affect your playing?

Johnny Winter: He had no impact; I just played my own way. I didn't try to play like him.

The Hook: Wow. So would you say you're resistant to influences?

Johnny Winter: No, I wouldn't. People influenced me, but I pretty much had my own style by the time I met Jimi.

The Hook: So is that more important earlier in life, then?

Johnny Winter: Yeah. Muddy Waters definitely influenced me. I listened to him early.

The Hook: How have your health issues affected your guitar playing career?

Johnny Winter: I have Carpal Tunnel, and that really messed me up. I couldn't play for eight months. It was horrible. It's a long time, to come back from that.

The Hook: Did you pass the time working on other musical projects?

Johnny Winter: No, I didn't do anything. I was just completely screwed there for a while. I watched a lot of TV, going crazy.

The Hook: And you had to play seated for a while.

Johnny Winter: I still do. It's choice, though-- I think I play better sitting down.

The Hook: Did it affect you artistically? Do you write about it? 

Johnny Winter: Yeah, I do. Having problems makes you try that much harder.

Johnny Winter performs at Gravity Lounge on September 13. $59/$49, 8pm.

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GIVEN JOHNNY WINTER'S PREVIOUSLY STELLAR CAREER, AND GIVEN THE DIMINISHMENT OF HIS OBVIOUS TALENT, I PERSONALLY DONT CARE TO SEE HIM LIVE LATELY SINCE HE HAS BEEN SO DISAPPOINTING AS A PERFORMER IN THE PAST. I'VE SEEN HIM DO SOME ABSOLUTELY AMAZING SHOWS AND SOME ABSOLUTELY ABOMINABLE SHOWS. SHOWS WHERE HE PLAYS FOR HALF AN HOUR AND THEN WALKS OFF. WHAT SORT OF 'CONCERT' IS THAT? AND NOW WITH TICKETS AT 50 AND 60 DOLLARS A SHOT, WHAT IS THE POINT IN PAYING TO SEE A MEDIOCRE PERFORMANCE? SEEMS TO ME THAT FOR THAT SORT OF MONEY, JOHNNY WINTER AND OTHERS OF HIS ILK SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT PEOPLE COME TO SEE THEIR SHOWS AT ALL, GIVEN THE FORMER GLORIOUS PERFORMANCES THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST. AND BY THE WAY: IN SPITE OF THIS NEGATIVE COMMENTARY I'M ESPOUSING, I AM A VERY BIG FAN OF MR. WINTER'S WORK AND HATE IT WHEN HE PRODUCES OR PERFORMS MEDIOCRE, SUB-PAR PRODUCT, AS IS THE CASE WITH 'IM A BLUESMAN' I MEAN, WHAT SORT OF LOUSY HACKNEYED MUSIC IS THIS? I AM SO UTTERLY AT A LOSS WHEN I LISTEN TO THIS CD... AT A LOSS BECAUSE I REALIZE HOW BRILLIANT HE CAN BE MUSICALLY AND WAS, AND AM AT A LOSS WHEN I REALIZE HOW POOR QUALITY THE VOCALS ARE ON THIS DISC AND ALSO AT A LOSS WHEN I REALIZE THAT I PAID ALMOST 25 DOLLARS FOR THE QUESTIONABLE 'PRIVILEDGE' OF HEARING THIS CD. AGAIN, I SAY THESE THINGS ABOUT ONE OF MY PERSONAL FAVORITE ARTISTS. IT HURTS ME TO SAY THAT 'BLUESMAN' IS MOST CERTAINLY, TO MY MIND, DECIDEDLY NOT THE 'MASTERPIECE' THAT THE MEDIA CLAIM IT TO BE. YES I REALIZE MR. WINTER IS 64 YEARS OLD, BUT SO WAS MUDDY WATERS AND PERSONS OF THAT ILK AND MR WINTER'S PERFORMANCES OF THE LAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY LACKING IN QUALITY. THIS 'MASTERPIECE' HE'S PUT OUT IS JUST A REASSERTION TO MY MIND, THAT PERHAPS MR. WINTER NEEDS TO SPEND SOME MORE TIME IN THE STUDIO AND LESS TIME TALKING ABOUT HIS 'COMEBACK' PERHAPS MISTER WINTER NEEDS TO GET FURTHER BACK TO HIS 'ROOTS' AND DISCOVER FOR HIMSELF AGAIN WHAT IT IS THAT HIS FANS SO SORELY MISS IN HIS MUSIC. I HAVE BEEN A FAN FOR MANY YEARS AND HAVE SEEN THE DEFINITE DECLINE. PLEASE SEE THAT I AM NOT CRITICIZING MR. WINTERS OVERALL BODY OF WORK, JUST BLUESMAN. I PERSONALLY FOUND VERY LITTLE REDEEMING QUALITIES FROM 'BLUESMAN' AND WAS HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED. PERHAPS, AT LONG LAST MR. WINTER IS FINALLY GETTING IT RIGHT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS BY REDISCOVERING THE FACT THAT BEING MESSED UP ON ALCOHOL AND DRUGS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. AT LEAST MUSICALLY. SEEMS TO ME IF HE SPENT LESS TIME PARTYING, AND MORE TIME MANAGING HIS CAREER, HE WOULD NOT BE IN THE CURRENT PREDICAMENT HE'S IN. I AM HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE CURRENT LEVEL OF MR WINTER'S GOD-GIVEN TALENT. HIS VOICE, THIN FROM THE BEGINNING, THOUGH MORE GUTTURAL AND BLUESY WHEN YOUNGER, IS NOT JUST A SHRILL WHINE. HIS PLAYING, THOUGH TECHNICALLY STILL EXCELLENT, IT IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THAT MR WINTER, UPON GETTING UP ONSTAGE FOR SOME OF THE LAST FEW CONCERTS I SAW HIM AT IN THE 90'S IN NYC WERE JUST MONEY MAKERS FOR HIM. MEDIOCRE AT BEST AND DISAPPOINTING. AGAIN, I SAY THIS AS A FAN WHO IS VERY MUCH DISHEARTENED BY THE FACT THAT MR WINTER IS SUCH A TALENTED MUSICIAN. SEEMS A WASTE.

posted by DISCONTENT JOHNNY WINTER FAN at 9/16/2007 12:32:35 PM

Johnny Winters remains a great guitarist, just saw him 9/07 and he was fantastic with old flare! Wouldn't miss him if he came this way again! FANTASTIC!

posted by Hammer at 9/22/2007 8:07:26 PM

The Johnny of even a few years ago is long gone and replaced by a healthier, MUCH stronger playing man. I won't argue that his shows of the late 90's thru the early 2000's were sad (I left a show in 03 nearly in tears, convinced that he wouldn't be around for much longer). I've had the pleasure of seeing him live more times than I can count over the last 30 years, and while he's no longer playing with the fire he had up until the late 80's, there's few people on the planet who have ever played at the level he's at today. If you have the chance, go see him, you won't be disappointed.

posted by GLDave at 10/2/2007 11:58:50 PM
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