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COVER- Lien on me: How one high rolling firm's troubles trickle down


Published October 23, 2008 in issue 0743 of the Hook



PHOTO BY JEN FARIELLO
In September, Church Hill Homes announced that a Richmond-based firm was swooping in to purchase nearly a dozen of its properties in the massive green development off Rio Road called Belvedere. A month later, more than a dozen of Church Hill's other properties fell into foreclosure. 

Even with that evidence that Church Hill has been struggling for months, the amount of economic pain that has trickled down from its failure comes as a rude shock: over a dozen subcontractors-- many of them small, locally owned businesses-- claim they are owed hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's money that they say they desperately need, but which they believe they will never see. 

"You build trust up, and all of a sudden, they take that trust and misuse it, abuse it," says Ricky Shifflett, who recently dipped into savings to keep his employees from getting pink slips after Church Hill failed to pay the $35,000 he was expecting for laying tile.

The Church Hill collapse also struck Brian Samuels particularly hard. Based in the Shenandoah Valley, Samuels operates a house-framing firm that employed at least 25 people until June, when he was working almost solely for Church Hill. Now, he says, Church Hill owes him $140,000, and he's had to let go of all but eight employees.

 Samuels says laying off employees-- particularly those who'd been with him for years-- was painful.

"I know there's not much other work out there," he says, mentioning one former employee in particular. "He worked for me for five years," he says. "I hated to let him go."

Samuels remains in contact with that employee-- who declined to be interviewed by the Hook-- and says he hopes to be able to re-hire him and the others if the housing market improves.


Trouble brewing

"It's a handshake to me, that's just the way I do business," says Wayne McDaniel, who had never filed a lien against a property in his 25 years in the painting business. "When I finish the job," he says, "they pay me." 

Except this time, they didn't.

"It makes me sick to think about it," says McDaniel, whose says his company, McDaniel Custom Painting, is owed, $117,000 by Church Hill.

In June, Church Hill notified the "subs," as tradespeople typically refer to subcontractors, about the serious financial problems it was facing-- and informed them that it would be unable to pay, at least in the foreseeable future.

That's when a wave of subs headed to the courthouse to see if they could force payment on any of their work by filing documents called mechanics' liens.

Virginia law attempts to ensure that mechanics, i.e. anyone who works on a structure, get paid by allowing mechanics to attach a lien to any property where the mechanic has been stiffed. Such liens can block the sale of a property until lien holders have been paid.

On the second floor of the Albemarle County Courthouse, the breadth of the Church Hill devastation is apparent. There, last week, were 129 liens against Church Hill.

In hindsight, subcontractors concede they might have known trouble was brewing as early as December last year when Church Hill's owners mentioned money woes and asked each sub to accept a payment plan for work that had already been completed. That's when Church Hill allegedly promised that all future work would be paid in full.

"I shoulda quit right then, but I was in too deep," says McDaniel, who claims he was already owed $16,000 by that point, and accepted $3,500 with Church Hill's promise that they'd pay the remaining balance in monthly installments.

Over the next six months, he says, he'd often have 10 or 11 of his 19 employees just on Church Hill work, racking up additional invoices. Shifflett and Samuels accepted similar deals.

"I thought it was a minor hiccup," says Samuels, who in December agreed to accept $500 a month on the $12,000 balance Church Hill owed. Then in June, he recalls, "Out of the blue, there was no check, no work, nothing."


Never again

Shifflett says he believes Church Hill took advantage of him and the other subs who'd worked loyally for them in the past, and that by convincing them that they'd make payments, they deprived them of taking timely action to collect on the debt.

"If you know you're in a financial crisis, you can't keep leading people on and getting free work out of them," he says.

 "I think it's dirty the way they did people," says Samuels.

But Church Hill's co-owners, Josh Goldschmidt and Jamie Spence, deny there was any intentional manipulation or malice. Goldschmidt says the December meetings at which he and Spence requested payment plans were held with the best interests of all parties involved.

"We thought we were improving everybody's position," says Goldschmidt. "When we realized we weren't, we stopped."

Spence says in June, he instructed subcontractors to file liens against Church Hill so that they'd have a better chance to collect. "We've tried to be up front," he says. "I can't say we didn't make some bad business decisions, but as far as trying to stick it those guys, that was not our intent."

While several other lien holders did not return the Hook's repeated calls, at least one says he believes Goldschmidt and Spence when they say they were acting in good faith.

"Church Hill Homes has been 100 percent up front with us," says Walter Slawski of Synergistic Contracting Services, who insists that in his December meeting with Goldschmidt and Spence, "they explained the process very clearly" and moreover, he says, "everything they've said has happened."

Slawski declined to reveal the exact amount his company is owed for work completing trim, siding and flooring, but lien records in the Albemarle County Courthouse suggest it's at least $70,000. Slawski says he's "not ignoring the fact that they owe us money," but he believes that "because they've been so honest to date" he'll get paid eventually. He's also philosophical about the situation.

"Everybody is taking a hit in this economy," he says. "When times were good, they supported us, we kept busy, made money. It stinks that the profits that we made are gone. I feel badly about the whole thing, across the board."

Slawski says his company is continuing to do work for Eagle Construction, the Richmond-based firm that bought some of Church Hill's Belvedere properties and hired Goldschmidt and Spence as employees.

But McDaniel says he won't be so forgiving.

"I'd never work for those guys again as long as I live," he says.


The highest bidder

Sorting out Church Hill's financial fiasco won't be quick or easy, a fact that was apparent on October 17 on the front steps of the Albemarle County Circuit Court. Under a gray sky and sporadic drizzle, about a dozen people milled for what's become all too common in recent months: a foreclosure auction.

As the trustee for seven of Church Hill's Albemarle County properties, Richmond attorney Paul Bliley read off the addresses and asked for bids. With the exception of a empty lot in Wickham Pond, a new development near Crozet, the only bidder was the loan holder, Union Bank and Trust. The Bank ending up buying back all seven properties-- including three houses in Belvedere-- for $1.68 million. (When two bidders bid one Wickham Pond lot up to $10,000, a representative for the bank quickly quashed that effort with an $80,000 bid.)

Those seven appear to be just the tip of the Church Hill iceburg. That same day, Union Bank acquired four Church Hill lots in Fluvanna, and a variety of properties will be foreclosed by Union and other banks in upcoming weeks.

"I haven't seen anything on this scale since the early 1990s," Bliley says, "during the savings and loan crisis."

And the number of liens on the Church Hill properties is complicating the bank's ability to put the properties back on the market, says Union Bank rep Dave Clelland, who acquired Church Hill's assets at the auction, and says he wasn't surprised no one else bid on most of the properties.

"Whenever you have to foreclose with a 'subject to...' filed or unfiled mechanics liens," Clelland explains, "people aren't going to take that risk."

According to real estate attorney Cheri Lewis, who is representing two lien holders whose identities she would not reveal, a cascading legal nightmare could unfold.

"The number of claims and properties that this affects, and the number of parties that it's affecting, is extraordinary," says Lewis. "People can't tell whose liens are valid."

Lewis says that anyone who purchases such a property could suddenly discover the property has been foreclosed on a second time by lienholders seeking to satisfy the debt. New lienholders can appear even after the foreclosure, Lewis says, since the law gives contractors up to six months after work is completed to make a claim.

But what if mechanics didn't know the intricacies of the law?


Uncollectable liens?

Union Bank's Clelland says Union is now working with a title company to sort through the liens against Church Hill in an attempt to clear the properties' titles in order to sell them more easily. If the title company rules that some of the liens aren't valid, those lienholders can sue-- but success in court is far from assured and depends on a court agreeing that their claim is valid.

Why wouldn't a lien be valid?

Shifflett, McDaniel and Samuels now believe its unlikely they'll ever get paid by Church Hill, despite having filed at least 15 liens between them. While the goal of such liens is to guarantee payment, the fine print of Virginia law caught all three men off guard.

Legal experts say that in order for a lien to be valid, a contractor must file notice with a "lien agent" within 30 days of beginning work. McDaniel, Shifflett and Samuels say they didn't do that because they didn't know it was required.

Attorney Lewis says that Virginia lien law has always attempted to put mechanics first in line-- even placing such liens ahead of bank mortgages when properties are sold. However, Lewis says the law was tightened in the early 1990s to prevent frivolous liens, and the new procedure clearly caught local subcontractors off guard.

"It's really too bad," says Lewis. "It's not a procedure people are familiar with because they don't typically have to file liens in this area."

The situation will become further muddled, says Lewis, if Church Hill declares bankruptcy. Spence says that hasn't happened yet, but neither he nor Goldschmidt will rule out the possibility.

If Church Hill does eventually declare bankruptcy, the properties still in Church Hill's name will be auctioned off and then used to satisfy secured debts-- like those held by remaining holders of valid mechanics liens, whose claims state law ranks higher than the bank's.


Stonehaus not scared

It's a sticky mess, but Church Hill's woes won't stop progress, developers say, at one of this area's most prominent new communities: Belvedere.

"Belvedere is a huge priority," says Frank Stoner, whose Stonehaus Development Corporation has tried to make Belvedere a showplace of sustainable development.

"Do we have funding challenges? Yeah," says Stoner. "But we're committed to trying to work through those, keep the development moving forward."

Even as Stoner admits the company had to cut about 40 to 50 percent of staff (about 10 people) in recent weeks, Stoner's Stonehaus partner, Bob Hauser, speaks confidently that Belvedere will eventually fulfill its promise as an eco-friendly mixed-use development of more than 700 homes.

"Belvedere is slow right now," says Hauser, mentioning the national corporations going out of business and the generally tumultuous economy. "None of that is good for Belvedere, but it will be fine long term," says Hauser.

Hauser contends that the development's "core values" and proximity to town will keep it in demand as the economy improves. "Belvedere," he says, "is less about keeping up with the Joneses and more about living a balanced life with your family."

That's what Kate White and Brett Harris are counting on. Belvedere's first family, White and Harris and their two children moved into their Belvedere house in August as the neighborhood's first and only residents, but they are no longer alone-- at least one other family has since moved in, and close to two dozen other houses are either finished or are well into the construction phase.

Still, strolling through the neighborhood on a fall day, it's clear Belvedere has a long way to go. Great swaths of red dirt still line the main road, where the commercial portion of the development is slated to be built, and although grass is now growing on the "village square" where community activities will one day be held, the vision of Belvedere as a thriving community remains just that-- a vision.


Whose warranty?

Shifflett says he's particularly worried that Church Hill's woes will trickle down even to the owners of Church Hill houses-- people like White and Harris, who purchased Church Hill houses in the last year.

"Who's going to warranty their work?" he wonders. "If something goes wrong, they don't have anything to fall back on."

Goldschmidt acknowledges the warranty issue is uncharted territory.

"We're doing the best we can," he says. "It's definitely very challenging."

But homeowner Harris says he's not worried.

"Fundamentally, I have far less concern because I'm convinced of the quality of the house," says Harris, who professes an ability to handle minor home repairs himself. He notes that a homebuilder's warranty covers problems with the structural integrity of the house and that things like heating and cooling systems and appliances have their own separate warranties from manufacturers. He also notes that Goldschmidt has talked to him about the warranty issue and has encouraged Harris and White to tell him about any problems that arise with the house so that Goldschmidt and Spence can attempt to address it.

White says she remains undaunted by Church Hill's problems, and she notes that her own house required the clearing of 18 mechanics liens before she and Harris closed on July 31. She's steadfast in her belief that one day-- if a bit further in the future than she had originally hoped-- Belvedere will live up to its promise.

"Two houses are under contract," she notes. "Belvedere still remains the shining star, the development project that is continuing to get buyers."

Hauser, who in addition to co-owning Stonehaus owns Hauser Homes, the other originial Belvedere builder, says he, too, remains upbeat although he admits Church Hill's woes have caused some "collateral damage" for Hauser. Like Stonehaus, Hauser has also cut its workforce in half-- to about 12-- since mid-2007.

He says despite Church Hill's trouble, he's happy Goldschmidt and Spence will remain involved in Belvedere working as employees of Eagle Construction.

"I hope they'll enjoy success," he says of Eagle, "and want to buy more lots." 

But for Shifflett, McDaniel and Samuels, the future of Belvedere is of far less interest than the future of their own small companies, and they just hope to recoup some of the money from their Church Hill work.

"Do I expect to see any money? I have no idea," says Shifflett. "If I can get $10,000 out of it, I'll be really lucky."

"Getting hit like that, with the economy falling apart," adds McDaniels, "it's like double jeopardy."


In spite of Church Hill's financial woes and the slow down of the housing market in general, Kate White and Bret Harris remain upbeat about the future of Belvedere.
FILE PHOTO BY JEN FARIELLO


Church Hill's holdings in the Carter's View development off Ridge Street remain in limbo, according to Spence, who says the bank has neither foreclosed on the properties, including these three houses, nor has it given Church Hill permission to finish the work.
PHOTO BY WILL WALKER


Wayne McDaniels, of McDaniels Custom Painting, is struggling to make it after Church Hill failed to pay him for work he and his 19-men crew completed. "I try not to dwell on it as much as I was," says McDaniels. "It was stressing me to the point I almost needed to go to a doctor."
PHOTO BY WILL WALKER


Church Hill scored  with Village Place in 2006 and 2007 and established the demand for craftsman-style houses like these. After selling all of their Village Place stock, even in an increasingly down market, Spence and Goldschmidt say they believed they could achieve similar success in other developments.
PHOTO BY WILL WALKER


The product Church Hill was building "is exactly what was needed-- quality and price point," says Walter Slawski, of Synergistic Contracting Services. "They over extended themselves on real estate side of things."
PHOTO BY WILL WALKER


"I haven't seen anything on this scale since the early 1990s," says Richmond attorney Paul Bliley, "during the savings and loan crisis." As trustee for seven of Church Hill's properties, Bliley read off the addresses and asked for bids at the foreclosure auction on October 17 on the steps of Albemarle County Circuit Court.
PHOTO BY WILL WALKER

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perhaps the police bunko squad should arrest the CEO's for fraud. There is no way they did not see this coming down the track and I am sure that the loans they got specified the money was supposed to be used to build the houses and not buy BMWS and Yukons for the owners and executives.

posted by elliot spitzer at 10/23/2008 11:16:13 AM

There's no fraud here. It's simply a small business that failed. Happens every day nationwide. And all is not lost anyway. Once the homes are finished and sold, the lienholders will most likely get their money. It might not be as fast as the lienholders want, but I think it will happen.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/23/2008 4:31:08 PM

not the police bunko squad--the Commonwealth's Attorney should be investigating for fraud.

"once the homes are finished and sold, the lienholders will...get their money"--yeah, right. and we're not in a "credit crunch," either.

get real, sick of the local rambos.

posted by larry at 10/23/2008 11:38:54 PM

Well, call her then. 434-972-4072

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/24/2008 8:42:07 AM

The woman will not press charges. She'll ignore this one. Concerning those high priced vehicles, they should be sold, in order to help with paying up!

posted by plop at 10/24/2008 10:14:08 AM

Did you not read the article? If they did not follow the pre filing rule they are screwed.

If you borrow a million bucks from the bank to build a house and then use the money to buy a nmercedes and vacations and stiff the builders that is FRAUDULAENT use of the banks money and you should go to jail. The reason that they get away with it is because the banks are whores and want future business, The prosecuters should force the issue to protect the little guy.

posted by elliotspitzer at 10/24/2008 10:49:45 AM

We'll see what happens. I agree, they should be held accountable, but I think they'll try to find a loophole in this case.

posted by plop at 10/24/2008 11:04:18 AM

This is a great article in The Hook. Read the article carefully, people. Walter Slawski of Synergistic Contracting thinks Church Hill treated him fairly. Note that he has jobs with Eagle Construction in Richmond , who hired Goldschmidt and Spence---Yikes, could there be a connection her? If you are outraged, send an e-mail to Eagle. The CEO's of Church Hill should not have a bail-out if their loyal sub-contractors are screwed by them. Lots of folks don't have jobs because of these cowboys-- Tell Eagle to re-think this one. Don't deal with Eagle if they support this way of doing business!

posted by Been there at 10/24/2008 9:50:12 PM

This is an unfortunate situation for everyone involved. I wouldn't single out Walter as he is a nice guy and doing what he thinks is best for his company. I sympathize with all the subcontractors who in a down market are already feeling the pinch of this economy. I would be bitter if I knew that it was costing me money to stay in business and it could have been avoided. The magnitude of their land holdings is what brought them down. $10-12 million in land carries a hefty interest payment. Combined with the massive overhead they carried I speculate it cost Church Hill at least $80k-$100k a month to keep their doors open. Factoring in average profit on a $500k house they needed to sell 2.5 houses a month to break even. They had a good track record in Village Place and seemed to be selling when others weren't but this downturn overwhelmed them as it has many other builders across the country. Backed into a corner they made some decisions that weren't smart. Illegal? Maybe. Jail time? Doubtful. All of these liened houses are upside down. The liabilities are more than the value of the houses and the banks and the subs will lose money. Guaranteed. A vacant house with liens is one thing. Talk to the homeowners who had Church Hill do work after closing on the house. I am not sure title insurance will help them out. We can discuss remorse and atonement but anyone who expects them to fall on their sword will be disappointed. Going to Eagle was they only way they saw to stay in the game and survive to fight another day. Offering new work from Eagle to the subs who have lost money may leave a bitter taste in someone's mouth but that is the only recourse they have. Whatever decision a sub makes I would respect. Can this situation be attributed entirely to greed and hubris? Probably. Will there be a happy ending to this story. No. I would hate to be in any of their shoes right now.

posted by Done That at 10/25/2008 7:18:29 AM

No one wants to believe that their business is going down the tubes. I assume they kept these people working because they were still trying to pay their own employees and keep the business going until they could get back on their feet. I doubt there was intent to rip off these people.

This is a lousy housing market, and everyone thinks they will be able to ride it out. They were wrong and they made some bad decisions. People weren't buying their houses. Would you be mad at the subcontractors because they laid off their employees because they weren't getting paid by Church Hill? It's different, but not as much as you think. Unfortunately, their bad decision's caused lots of problems for others. Are they the first in this economy?

posted by Jennifer at 10/25/2008 1:58:08 PM

I bet their net worth didn't see a hit, and their fortunes are sheltered. Here in a nutshell is the "crisis" that the good people of this country have to deal with - greedy barons caught reaching too far, and now crying about innocence and good intentions, while all the workers get stiffed. Don't be fooled when the relatives and peers write in here with sympathetic voices. It's just such a shame that the politions are their peers on a national scale, and keep the big crooks going with government money.

posted by Disgusted at 10/26/2008 10:02:09 AM

Disgusted, interesting point of view. You're saying the partners should lose everything, right? Everything they worked for and accumalated in life before the birth of Church Hill Homes too, right? Throw their entire families out in the street with 3 pair of underwear each and the directions to a homeless shelter, right? Sell everythinng the families own at public auction, all the way down to the kid's baseball gloves, right?

Some of you are just plain downright silly. The last thing the partners wanted to see was the collapse and failure of their own business.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/26/2008 11:34:52 AM

Well the way I see it is that if they stiffed the subs to pay their own employees while praying for a miracle that is still FRAUD unless they TOLD THE SUBS that they were using money the THE BANKS had technically loaned churchill to pay THEM for work that THEY HAD ALREADY DONE.

There crap shopuld be sold on the courthoiuse steps then maybe they won't LIE and CHEAT hard working people whoDESERVE to be paid AHEAD of the jerks. When did the partners in this compnay stop paying themselves... I'll bet it wasn't a year ago like they did the subs. I would wager that they cut themselves checks until the last day.

That is theft and they should go to jail.

By the way... what was Churchill BEFORE the last banckruptsy?????

posted by lc ther carpenter at 10/26/2008 8:58:23 PM

"Sick of the Local Rambos" aka as either Josh or Jamie or one of their mouthpieces.

Yes, they, and their families, should lose "everything" in order to pay off the debts that their stupid and fraudulent business practices incurred for other innocent parties--the subs. Just because business fraud is difficult to prove and this "case" may not be investigated doesn't mean, that they are innocent of fraud.

And as for the rest of us? We can all decide NOT to do business with Eagle Construction as long as they hire employees with such dubious business acumen.

But in the end, Eagle Construction will suffer, too. By all the "experts" accounts the US is going to be in a long recession, and nobody is going to want a new house at such high prices.

posted by What Goes Around Will Come Around at 10/26/2008 9:45:05 PM

Josh or Jamie? Nope, sorry. I have no association or affilation to anybody named in this story.

But I am a professional mouthpiece, that's for sure.

posted by Sick Of The Local Rambos at 10/26/2008 11:06:10 PM

Sounds like the subs made a few of their own bad decisions working for no pay. Couldn't they see for themselves that was bad financial planning. I assume this was the only work around and they took a gamble and lost. Maybe we should put them on the block for the employees they had to lay off.

By the way, I have no affiliation with the above companies, and I'm not saying they are right. I'm just sick of people assuming they know everything (I know I don't). I'm simply suggesting you broaden your thought process.

posted by Jennifer at 10/27/2008 8:47:37 AM

What about Hauser Homes!?!?!? When are you going to write an article about those of us who never got paid by Hauser Homes? I read the owner's comments about still feeling positive about the future of Belvedere, however, he's sitting in a big house with fancy cars and plenty of cash while the people who made his lifestyle possible are getting screwed!

posted by Nittany Lion King at 10/27/2008 9:25:02 AM

When as a sub contractor you enter into an agreement.. say "net 30" which means that the builder AGREES to pay you within 30 days after the work is done, but it gets a little complicated because you are doing more work in other houses, and the builder sometimes drags it out, not umlike you might do with your lawn guy because you are on vacation that is normal busioness. When a builder keeps yopu working knowing that he is taking a HUGE gamble all the while telling you that things are great and that they are just "waiting on settlements" or "waiting until the 1st for the next draw fom the bank then they are lying and that my friends is FRAUD. If a sub tells his employees in good faith that he is waiting for money that is not FRAUD that is a victim of fraud. The other thing that enters into this is that if you are working for a builder and he owes you money and you stop work he will not only never use you and bad mouth your business but HE WILL NOT PAY YOU AND CLAIM SHODDY WORK NO MATTER HOW GOOD IT ACTUALLY IS. Construction is a nasty business and the builders committed FRAUD. Thy basically went to vegas, started eating dinner, half way through their partner comes and admits that he gambled all the money away... and they still order the lobster and dessert before they stiff the restaurant. Fraud.

posted by cheated sub at 10/27/2008 9:26:40 AM

You are exactly right cheated sub. How do people like the owners of Hauser Homes show their faces around town knowing that they are lying, cheating and stealing from their neighbors?!?!?! It's an outrage! Worse yet, the owners get their low paid employees to do the lying for them because they're not man enough to do it themselves. Whatever happened to honesty and integrity? The article mentions the core values of the community, what about the core values of the CEO of the company? I guess you don't have to give a crap when you get to the top, no longer have to lead by example. What a shame... You typically don't see this type of thing in a small town like Charlottesville, I guess that's what happens when out of towners move into a community and really don't have any roots or a real vested interest in the greater good.

posted by Nittany Lion King at 10/27/2008 10:09:52 AM

The city and county officials as advocates for the people, should stop laying out the red carpet for such developers. Many of the houses are simply not built according to the best standard. The sprawling subdivisions are blighting to the area. Finally, nothing is right about the top executives lining their pockets and then keeping their wealth, while others remain unpaid. The government should put a foot down.

posted by plop at 10/27/2008 10:53:29 AM

Now IS the time for the county attorney to step up to the plate and audit the books to see if they did divert funds promised to these subs.

If a car dealer borrowed money from a bank and to buy cars and spent the money on other things that would be fraud.. what is the difference? The developers had trhe money approved BEFORE they hired the subs which means that they tecnically took the subs money and spent it without permision. Embezzlement is defined as taking money from a business and using it for personal use instead of its intended use.

Start looking out for the little guy.

Interview the county atorney and ask him WHY he won't take this step.

posted by never happen at 10/27/2008 3:24:32 PM

I gaurantee you that Churchill and all of his associates will not have a probem feeding their families for the next several months. They will continue to live in their mansions, drive their gas guzzling vehicles with out giving any of these subs or their families a thought. And what about their employees families and their bills? These are people who do not have insurance for MD bills, how will they afford taking their children to the MD. Believe me I know, I am one of these subs exwife and he pays doctor bills and buys groceries for our children. I guess we will have to choose between health and eating properly. One of my children require medication infusion that cost thousands of dollars, how will we pay for this?? I am sure Churchill has no answer for me, or even gives it a second thought. It is truley sad all of this has happened.

posted by Kathy at 10/27/2008 3:50:17 PM

never happen, you are correct. Remember, the county protects developers who create such non-saleable clutter. Oh, a few on the BD. of SUPS act as if they are anti growth or pro green. They are all ineffective in realing in developers. Didn't they just approve Biscuit Run? Aren't they more than willing to move county traffic through Charlottesville's historic McIntire Park? My God, look at Pantops. It looks like a shanty town now. The county's lawyers do just what they are instructed to do, by the BOS. The lawyers for the county actually pave a way for development. They will not easily investigate, as they should.

posted by plop at 10/27/2008 4:00:54 PM

Someone involved should sell off a fancy car in order to provide Kathy's kids food and medicine. Not doing so would be shameful.

posted by Janie at 10/27/2008 4:15:46 PM

Just another thought, these guys that are doing sub work are also the guys that Obama will raise taxes on to "spread the wealth". Can't we see what is happening already, employees are being laid off because the subs can't get their money in order to pay their employees and soon if Obama is elected, these same subcontractors will be paying more taxes and will not be able to afford to hire more employees. Come on cant we see that Obamas plan decrease oppurtunity for these small businesses to grow and decreases the funds that these businessess need to employ more people, to earn their own wealth instead of the government giving them someone elses hard earned money. I know all of this is off topic but it is another trickle down effect. The less people employed the less taxes the government collects. More welfare is accessed and the debt of the government and OUR country gets larger. What has happened to our American Dream in our Land Of Oppurtunity??

posted by Kathy at 10/27/2008 4:59:38 PM

Kathy, you have great ideas but whatever happens on election day won't fix your immediate problem. You had better focus upon the local situation. Go to the next Bd. Of Supervisors' meeting and make an appeal for the county lawyers and court to investigate. Tell the public your story. The BOS may do something if they fear a lawsuit as they neglect a duty.

posted by plop at 10/27/2008 8:21:20 PM

what happens to the unpaid proffers whwen these folks go under? Does the county get paid at the expense of the people that EARNED the money? If the bank loaned money to pay the proffers and these folks "borrowed" it is that fraud? you know..,. stealing money intended for the government... I mean if they didn't pay their federal taxes I guarantee they will be nailed to the wall. so why not the county?

posted by just wondering..... at 10/27/2008 9:55:58 PM

Alright, Albemarle County, DO the right thing. WE ARE watching.

posted by Joc at 10/27/2008 11:13:25 PM

For the person that was inquiring about the former company of Church Hill Homes, it was Hayden Construction.

posted by BK at 10/28/2008 4:47:58 PM

Just wondering..., proffers are generally (but not always) required to be paid at the time that a building permit is requested. A building permit will not be issued until the proffers are paid. Any raw lots that go to foreclosure will still have the requirement attached to the lot that the proffers are paid whenever someone submits for a building permit for that specific lot any time into the future. Sometimes developers are required to make lump sum proffer payments before any building permits are even applied for so any house that church hill started was required to have the proffers paid. The county makes absolutely no exception.

posted by Done That at 10/28/2008 8:06:04 PM

Some of the above posters are a little too bloodthirsty about this issue. Church Hill made bad decisions and went bankrupt. But they took a risk, as does anyone who goes into business...as did the subcontractors. Those who take the risk get the rewards, and in this case, the punishment. As TR said, the credit belongs to the risk-taker and (paraphrasing here a bit) not the whiny comments poster who thinks entrepreneurs ought to be thrown in jail when their reach finally exceeds their grasp.

Don't pin it all on the top dog: if the builder was greedy, so were the subcontractors. If the subprime lenders were greedy, so were the unqualified buyers who took on loans they knew they couldn't afford- both parties acted on the flawed assumption that housing prices would increase 20% a year forever.

When the good times were rolling the subs had every opportunity to sock away some of their profits, as did Church Hill's owners. Let's hope they all did. If they didn't...well, let's pretend we still live in a libertarian country that values personal responsibility.

Our government is using the cyclical and self-correcting problems on Wall Street to justify massive government intervention and a level of intrusion that will never go away. Sweden's going to look laissez faire next to the US under Comrades Paulson, Bernanke, Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, and either Obama or McCain. Let's not take our cues from our national political "leaders" and start believing everything warrants an investigation.

posted by Mark at 10/28/2008 9:54:01 PM

Mark, Aren't you concerned about Kathy's child going without food or medicine, if there is no money left? Do you have a solution?

posted by Janie at 10/28/2008 10:03:02 PM

Mark,

After all you have said, bottom line is the money that the bank pays to the "top dogs" is dispursed to pay the subs that do work for them. Where is the money, it sure aint in my account paying my bills????? Where is it?? If fraud doesn't warrant investigation then what does?

Kathy

posted by kathy at 10/28/2008 10:12:59 PM

If you get a second mortgage to remodel your house and do not pay the contractor and spend tythe money on yourself then you are committing fraud as you are materially affecting the collateral.The bank could have you arrested for fraud. The builders were materially affecting the collateral by not paying the subs and putting the property and consequentially the banks money at risk. If the builders held back money that they had contractually agreed to pay to the subs and converted it to use for paychecks for themselves that is a crime under rico and has been prosecuted elsewhere. This does warrant an investigation. If the laws need to be changed to protect the little guy then the commonwealth attorney should step up to the plate and request one. They passed hate crime statutes.

The subs were no more greedy than you would be if your boss came to you and said sorry no paycheck this week, but I got mine so see ya.The subs were lied to. That is FRAUD. How else would you define it?

posted by not mark at 10/28/2008 10:13:29 PM

I am concerned about Kathy's child, every bit as concerned as I am about the child of anyone who loses their job.

The solution is: get another job. I know everyone thinks the sky is falling but we have like 6% unemployment in this country, and it's probably lower here in C-ville.

I seriously doubt there's a food or medicine debate going on in Kathy's house, if her story is even true (two posts down, Kathy commendably breaks down the flaws in the Democrat-Robin Hood "tax the rich" philosophy- sound like someone with starving children?)

So I doubt there's a "food or medicine?" debate. There ought to be other debates in our houses, though, like a "rent or buy?" debate...a "new plasma TV or put the 2 grand into savings?" debate, a "new car or keep driving the 2004 model?" debate, a "spend $50 a month on DirecTV or don't?" debate...

Come on people, let's quit pretending this is the Great Depression. If you were homeless and unemployed because of this made-up crisis, you wouldn't be posting on a news blog anyway.

Our definition of poor is so out of whack and would make our grandparents ashamed of us. C-ville, when your family has one car or fewer (maybe a car that was built before 2000- gasp!), no cable or satellite TV, no TV for that matter (oh, the material deprivation!), drinks the crummy store brand OJ, doesn't have a landline phone, and doesn't get Outback every Friday, drop me a line and I'll buy you a month's worth of groceries.

I ain't getting you no Tropicana Pure Premium, though. A frozen can of Donald Duck has the same amount of Vitamin C in it.

posted by Mark at 10/28/2008 10:28:54 PM

My suggestion, sell the cars and give the $$$ to Kathy. In the event of a lawsuit,the court would look more favorably upon an offender, as he makes an effort.

posted by Janie at 10/28/2008 10:35:19 PM

"Where is the money, it sure aint in my account paying my bills?????"

The money's in those houses, which is why the banks themselves bought them at auction. When those houses sell, the subs will get something if not all of what they are owed (if they were the "mechanic lien" subs and not the "handshake" subs).

Nobody put a gun to the subs' heads to do the work for ChurchHill...they did it b/c they didn't have any other options, and they took the risk that they mightn't get paid. CH tried to be up front with them: even some of the subs don't ascribe to them the malice some of you posters do.

I am not involved in any home industry, nor am I in business for myself- I don't have the stones to leave the comfort of working for somebody else. I am nowhere near Obama's rich dividing line of $250k pa. But I respect those who take the risk and I am concerned by this class warfare (they're still in their fancy homes driving gas-guzzling SUVs)- it's small-minded jealousy. If we kill the goose that lays the golden eggs we'll have us a fine feast but it will be short-lived.

CH took the risk, as did Union Bank, as did the subs, as did anyone who bought stock in a company that dealt in subprime. The only people who didn't take a risk were the politicians who decided in the late 90s that home ownership was a Constitutional right, and leaned on Fannie and Freddie to relax the lending principles that had served us well for decades. This sparked growth in the building industry, which sparked lending, which sparked 2nd mortgages and HELOCs, which sparked banks selling derivatives based on mortgages, which sparked irrational exuberance that believed house prices would go up forever...whole lot of sparking going on.

posted by Mark at 10/28/2008 10:45:08 PM

Mark

You know nothing of my family or children. Do you have 10,000 dollars worth of hospital bills? Are you able to eat without becoming seriously ill, if you don't get the medication you need? Don't worry about debates in my house.

It comes down to wright and wrong, that is the accountable debate. Something you know nothing about. I don't want your charity. Oh, I also have a job as a RN and I do believe my grandmother would be very proud of me. I also now what it is like to have no home, I have been there and done that, so don't you dare lecture me about material deprivation. Get a clue Mark. This is not a made up crisis. It is clearly FRAUD.

Kathy

posted by at 10/28/2008 10:51:51 PM

Kathy, Speak during the Albemarle BOS meeting tomorrow night 6:00 PM. You have a right to expect that employers in the county pay their workers. Make the county investigate. We all know they should do so.

posted by plop at 10/28/2008 11:41:13 PM

Plop

Thank you for your comments, I will contact the subs that I know and hopefully be at that meeting.

Just not sure how to "make" Albemarle County do anything.

Thanks again,

Kathy

posted by kathy at 10/29/2008 12:00:18 AM

if you think the banks are not gonna try and cheat the subs on a technicality then you are sadly mistaken. The problem you have with mechanics liens is that they must be filed on each and every house and each and every job. This is almost impossible as builders change there minds day to day depending on which house is sold or waiting for reinspection by the county or waiting on the electrician or plumber or drywall guy. I still contend that it is fraud to borrow money for one purpose and use it for another. I guarantee you that if the banks atually had to pay al of the subs they would be the ones calling the Commonwelth attorny and demanding arrests be made.

posted by yeah right at 10/29/2008 9:19:39 AM

I can assure you that Josh and Jamie aren't getting off easily. When any small business like theirs gets a loan from the bank, the individuals behind the business are going to have to personally guarantee the loan. Once the company finishes the bankruptcy proceedings, the banks are going to knock on their doors looking for every dime they didn't get. As for the subs...know the rules of the game. The 30 day MLA law has been on the books for at least a decade, and all you have to do is look at the building permit posted at the site and send the MLA identified on the permit a letter. Not exactly difficult or time consuming.

posted by Dbag of Justice at 10/31/2008 4:21:06 PM

1) personal guaranttess don't mean crap since the theif has ample time to transfer assets to hife kids or partner.

2) a housing development has a permit for each house and not only do you have to file it for each house but you have to release it for each house and this paperwork pisses off builders. They use these pressure tactics to discourage it. It is an easy problem, to solve. Lock em up of they diverted the funds. then they will learn.

posted by dear dirt bag at 11/2/2008 12:41:11 AM

Another local perspective on Church Hill: http://www.realcentralva.com/2008/12/08/charlottesville-builders-local-is-good-and-bad/

posted by Mark at 12/9/2008 4:03:20 PM

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